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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 10:52 AM
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...since drag racing is all you'll be doing.
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 01:11 PM
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Default Re: No one can tell me the truth bout short shifters..

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...since drag racing is all you'll be doing.

you say this since short gears arent useful in an autocross or road race?


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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by dave22
...since drag racing is all you'll be doing.
I can't have long gear's if i have to rush to the hospital
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by lLOlRlElN
you say this since short gears arent useful in an autocross or road race?


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Are you serious? Have you ever autocrossed or road raced?

A guy on s2ki posted some vids with analysis when he switched to a shorter final drive in his S2000. On a short autocross course (less than a minute) he shifted three times with his original gearing. With the short gearing he shifted like seventeen times. Then on a road course he was banging the rev limiter in fourth and he didn't have enough time to shift to fifth before the turns. With the longer gearing he would've still been in the meat in fourth.

He ended up selling his short gears and putting stock gears back in.

I know this is different than LS/B16 tranny talk but it at least gives you an illustration. Short gears (despite feeling faster) are not always the best way to go. Theyre good for accelleration in any given gear (broken record, anyone?) but NOT for accelleration through the entire range.
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 02:46 PM
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GSR Gearing in my LS tranny........Sound good?

Can anyone swap my internal's in my tranny once I get the transmission?
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by dave22
Are you serious? Have you ever autocrossed or road raced?

A guy on s2ki posted some vids with analysis when he switched to a shorter final drive in his S2000. On a short autocross course (less than a minute) he shifted three times with his original gearing. With the short gearing he shifted like seventeen times. Then on a road course he was banging the rev limiter in fourth and he didn't have enough time to shift to fifth before the turns. With the longer gearing he would've still been in the meat in fourth.

He ended up selling his short gears and putting stock gears back in.

I know this is different than LS/B16 tranny talk but it at least gives you an illustration. Short gears (despite feeling faster) are not always the best way to go. Theyre good for accelleration in any given gear (broken record, anyone?) but NOT for accelleration through the entire range.

yes i used to autox. on a short road course i was normally at the top of second till i had to hit a corner. and what is the rev limit in an s2k? if you delete the rev limit you'd be fine its a vtec engine it will be alrite up top. that is of course if it can handle the stress.

it honestly just sounds to me like somebody is too damn lazy to shift.

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Old Apr 14, 2006 | 03:16 AM
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Default Re: No one can tell me the truth bout short shifters..

Originally Posted by ZeroMR
Any turbo honda makes more power at 6500rpms then they do at 5500rpms. When I'm racing why would you want to go lower then 6500rpms?



There could be many reasons why your wheel spins so much.
Hey jack ass most turbo hondas rev 9gs if you rev 9000 and shift with a LS trany you will still be way above 6500 why dus this seam to be your special shifting number?
Old Apr 14, 2006 | 03:32 AM
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Default Re: No one can tell me the truth bout short shifters..

Originally Posted by lLOlRlElN
yes i used to autox. on a short road course i was normally at the top of second till i had to hit a corner. and what is the rev limit in an s2k? if you delete the rev limit you'd be fine its a vtec engine it will be alrite up top. that is of course if it can handle the stress.

it honestly just sounds to me like somebody is too damn lazy to shift.
to lazy to shift? .... WTF if your about to hit a 100+ mph turn saying he was toping out 4th the last thing 50feet from that turn I would be doing is shifting! pluss why shift up then shift back down mid corrner only to gain nothing!.... sounds like you need to do a little more looking into road racing...... and auto X is nothing like a real track....... no one who runs big tracks runs close/short gears. ask any one with a RWD high hp car. I use to intall gears in mustangs all day long ... one guy put 410 <stock is 355> in his 6 speed 03cobra... came back 2 weeks later and had the stocks put back in.... the car did nothing but spin... the car also ran a faster time with the 355`s 1 less gear change and a lot less wheel spin in the 1/4 on street tires. If you can drive and plan on running slicks short gears can be good in the 1/4 mile but fuck getting traction on a 400hp FWD car with shoft gears on street tires... no matter how good you can drive its going to spin really bad..... this guy wants to make 400hp and is setting his "STREET CAR" up for it a tall gear will give him alot better traction on street tires as well as keep the car from blowing the tires off every gear when it hits boost on the street. just my .02c
Old Apr 14, 2006 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SlidingS-10
Hey jack ass most turbo hondas rev 9gs if you rev 9000 and shift with a LS trany you will still be way above 6500 why dus this seam to be your special shifting number?

How do you know that?? Did you take a poll or something?? I have a turbo'd b16b and I shift at 8100. There is no way that a ls transmission will be a better option then the vtec transmission for racing. Hondas make there power in the upper Rpm's.
Old Apr 14, 2006 | 03:39 PM
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Default Re: No one can tell me the truth bout short shifters..

Hah, My thread has turned to SPO Tech talk. I love it, i'm seein like three different view's.


Slidings-10....Why did you quote my car as a "street car" like it was bad or somn?



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