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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 05:03 AM
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Any one else? A LS tranny does seem good right now for boosting....what about a GSR tranny though? Or LS would be fine since it has a little bit longer gear ratio so instead of having a shorter gear ratio, my tires wont spin as much?
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 05:04 AM
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wow now we are seeing just one of the advantages of a longer gear and a high hp motor...... GSR`s are ok but I would run a LS
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by SlidingS-10
The highest RPM is not always in you powerband.... nore is that always helping you .... with most vtec motor you have a short powerband and you dont want to fall much during a shift.... but with a high hp car with a strong power badn you can use it to your advantage .... im not going to try to explane this again...
Any turbo honda makes more power at 6500rpms then they do at 5500rpms. When I'm racing why would you want to go lower then 6500rpms?

Originally Posted by DOHC crx VTEC
Any one else? A LS tranny does seem good right now for boosting....what about a GSR tranny though? Or LS would be fine since it has a little bit longer gear ratio so instead of having a shorter gear ratio, my tires wont spin as much?
There could be many reasons why your wheel spins so much.

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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DOHC crx VTEC
Any one else? A LS tranny does seem good right now for boosting....what about a GSR tranny though? Or LS would be fine since it has a little bit longer gear ratio so instead of having a shorter gear ratio, my tires wont spin as much?
What questions, the flywheel? Any lightweight flywheel really. It depends on you for the most part.
Old Apr 13, 2006 | 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroMR
What questions, the flywheel? Any lightweight flywheel really. It depends on you for the most part.
Well I mean, I'm looking at it like this.

I more then likely won't be running slicks as much for real.

B16 tranny:

Shorter gearing, correct?

Ls Tranny:

Longer gearing

B16 tranny with turbo making 400+ WHEEL horsepower

Make the tire's spin quite a bit...especially at full boost?

LS tranny plus my setup

Won't spin tires as drastically as the shorter geared tranny would, correct?

I mean to me, it just seem's pointless to have a shorter geared tranny when making such higher horsepower because all of that boost will go to waste if you keep spinning and having to shift to simmer it down. I mean i'm a rookie and I'm willing to learn as much as any one can teach me, so im open to facts and opinion's.
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For just drag racing, b16 is the best option. For street/track I'd go with a GSR. Spinning tires is caused by a lot of things..suspension, tires, no traction bars, etc. The tranny is not the only thing that affects traction.

My tires broke loose with both a gsr and a ls tranny, so it didn't matter if it was long or short gearing. If you want more traction get better, suspension, lsd, traction bars, staged boost, and tires. It depends on your entire setup really not just one thing.

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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroMR
For just drag racing, b16 is the best option. For street/track I'd go with a GSR. Spinning tires is caused by a lot of things..suspension, tires, no traction bars, etc. The tranny is not the only thing you should be thinking about to get traction.
Yes, I know that. Well this is going to be a daily driver as well. I'm going to fully build my suspension, maybe some Falken Azeni's the GTR or something ill look them up later, but they are designed to get traction quicker around all season. I'm going to have a little bit higher spring rate in the front than the rear, probably some NEUSPEED springs with KYB AGX Strut's, Front and Rear upper strut bar's, upgraded lower control arms, energy suspsension bushing kit, front and rear sway bars and so on..remember I NEED A CABLE tranny.
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Originally Posted by DOHC crx VTEC
Well, I'm going to invest in another Transmission. This LS bullshit is kinda gay...Especially since I am N/A right now, I will get a Ys1 tranny with LSD sometime soon and better clutch and what not. I appreciate all of your guy's help. What fluid should I put in my tranny in the mean time? I heard GM Syncromesh was some good shit?

Good luck finding a YS1 with a LSD in it.. most likely you will end up shipping one from Japan in order to get what you want. Kevlar clutches hold well so I hear..

And like I said, GM synchromesh is the shyte.
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Originally Posted by DOHC crx VTEC
Yes, I know that. Well this is going to be a daily driver as well. I'm going to fully build my suspension, maybe some Falken Azeni's the GTR or something ill look them up later, but they are designed to get traction quicker around all season. I'm going to have a little bit higher spring rate in the front than the rear, probably some NEUSPEED springs with KYB AGX Strut's, Front and Rear upper strut bar's, upgraded lower control arms, energy suspsension bushing kit, front and rear sway bars and so on..remember I NEED A CABLE tranny.
I'm glad someone with some sense came in on the trany discussion.. 'cause, whoa damn that was getting outta control.

The b16 trany has shorter gears due to the engine design, the powerband is in higher in the RPM range. Using the shorter gears keeps the motor in the powerband (SEE: Gear Percentage Drop on Honda-Tech forums). Several people, including myself, have been researching Honda transmissions and their gears to 'frankenstein' a transimission to suite thier enginer build (design). N/A apps. seem to work well with tight gears, turbo apps. tend to have more of a punch (boost) and much more torque than N/A apps., longers gears help keep that torque on the ground.

The best option would be to find a cable b16, or the rare 2g GSR YS1 LSD trany (limited availability in Japan). Using a newer trany would cost some extra money, but you could always convert to Hrydo. Another way is to do some research and take a YS1 case (LS) and swap the gears around to match your build. Tire/wheel size also come in to the equation when you are looking for the best balance of top speed and acceleration.

Honda-Tech.com has pretty much all the info you will need.. SEARCH first, they hate having to discuss the same thing over and over on that site. They are also more stringent with their rules over there.

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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 06:57 AM
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Trevor- I appreciate all of the information you just gave me. I'm on my way to Honda-tech now...I will let you all know what I can dig up.



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