FCPD introduce new technology...
The only way you'll get scanned is if you are under arrest. So please get off this "me against the world mentality."
Half of you simply do not know what the hell you are talking about.
Privacy:
The information they are pulling is the same information thats readily available through the FBI IAFIS database, State and Local police DBs. The only difference is, they are able to easily access it remotely now. What privacy concern are you facing here? Your fingerprints are not being stored on the AFIS modules, and are transmitted over very secure channels. Whether they are storing PII or new info, see below in "Data Warehousing".
False positives (TRU): Your prints being recognized as a terrorist or some other rapist? This is by far the dumbest fucking argument I've heard. Do you know anything about the false positive test scores from the MINEX reports? The error ratio is ridiculously low. Biometric scanners, including facial recognition, can pick out identical twins with damn near pinpoint accuracy. Here is the quality testing program for fingerprints performed by NIST: http://fingerprint.nist.gov/minexII/
The company that is most likely supplying these (Sagem Morpho), is ranked as one of the best minutiae algorithms out there. Here is the link to the report: http://fingerprint.nist.gov/minex04/minex_report.pdf
Data Retention (warehousing): If you are worried about this, every system, including this AFIS system, will publish what information they capture and retain, and its retention periods commonly called a system of records notice. It is required of all systems that capture identity these days, including DOD CAC and HSPD-12 PIVs. To be brutally honest, as someone who deals with this shit, they are required to notify you of what personally identifiable information they capture, and if they don't I would refuse to let them scan me
Now, the only credible argument I've heard on this matter is tax paying and cost. The AFIS systems do cost quite a bit. Since when do you all as fairfax residents really care about cost? Did you notice that the FCPD are rolling around in new chargers and gas guzzling SUVs and other high ticket rides? What ever happened to the low budget ass cars they used to roll in? I think if you want to complain about misappropriation of tax dollars then that would be a good starting point.
Privacy:
The information they are pulling is the same information thats readily available through the FBI IAFIS database, State and Local police DBs. The only difference is, they are able to easily access it remotely now. What privacy concern are you facing here? Your fingerprints are not being stored on the AFIS modules, and are transmitted over very secure channels. Whether they are storing PII or new info, see below in "Data Warehousing".
False positives (TRU): Your prints being recognized as a terrorist or some other rapist? This is by far the dumbest fucking argument I've heard. Do you know anything about the false positive test scores from the MINEX reports? The error ratio is ridiculously low. Biometric scanners, including facial recognition, can pick out identical twins with damn near pinpoint accuracy. Here is the quality testing program for fingerprints performed by NIST: http://fingerprint.nist.gov/minexII/
The company that is most likely supplying these (Sagem Morpho), is ranked as one of the best minutiae algorithms out there. Here is the link to the report: http://fingerprint.nist.gov/minex04/minex_report.pdf
Data Retention (warehousing): If you are worried about this, every system, including this AFIS system, will publish what information they capture and retain, and its retention periods commonly called a system of records notice. It is required of all systems that capture identity these days, including DOD CAC and HSPD-12 PIVs. To be brutally honest, as someone who deals with this shit, they are required to notify you of what personally identifiable information they capture, and if they don't I would refuse to let them scan me

Now, the only credible argument I've heard on this matter is tax paying and cost. The AFIS systems do cost quite a bit. Since when do you all as fairfax residents really care about cost? Did you notice that the FCPD are rolling around in new chargers and gas guzzling SUVs and other high ticket rides? What ever happened to the low budget ass cars they used to roll in? I think if you want to complain about misappropriation of tax dollars then that would be a good starting point.
Last edited by Newbsauce; Dec 3, 2007 at 07:44 AM.
Last time I checked I didn't make the argument that police officers are going to be scanning everyone. There are going to be security issues, personally I don't want my personal information being beamed all over the place no matter how "secure" their network is. No network is completely secure, as evidenced by the fact that the CIA and the DOD have both been successfully targeted by hackers in the past. I stated that I think this is a step in the wrong direction, come off of it with your "me against the world mentality" bullshit. It is a logical concern for someone to think about the POSSIBLE uses of such a system.
Last time I checked I didn't make the argument that police officers are going to be scanning everyone. There are going to be security issues, personally I don't want my personal information being beamed all over the place no matter how "secure" their network is. No network is completely secure, as evidenced by the fact that the CIA and the DOD have both been successfully targeted by hackers in the past. I stated that I think this is a step in the wrong direction, come off of it with your "me against the world mentality" bullshit. It is a logical concern for someone to think about the POSSIBLE uses of such a system.
If you don't want your "personal information beamed all over the place" then don't break the fucking law.
I'm assuming since you're on this board you are not a felon or a terrorist, and you are like the rest of us with just a passion for cars. So unless I'm wrong, I don't see your problem with this system.






