Good motor for s13< ka24det, sr20det ?
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^Thats because people keep spreading the bullshit info that a KA needs to be built for boost. If I could redo my setup, I could probably be making the same power for $4k. I would cut out my AVC-R and my first intercooler kit. Then just power mods would be $4k.
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Re: Good motor for s13< ka24det, sr20det ?
its all in what you want. the cheapest/best way for your needs i would think would be a mild built bottom end KA(forged pistons, arp head studs and rod bolts) and a commetic head gasket with a bolt on t2 series kit like the sr. but get the s15 spec r t28. s15 injectors, z32 maf and an enthalpy tune. right there is about 4 grand worth of stuff which will put you around or over 300rwhp and levae you 2gs to put into the car like suspension, diff, wheels brakes, paint....etc.
if you go SR don't go big topmount. get a gt2871r, bigger injectors and maff and an enthalpy tune. again you will be looking at between 300-375rwhp depending on the PSI you run.
and with either setup i suggest a AFC hack (safc1 or 2) hack for fine tuning.
if you wanna go baller get the apexi power FC standalone ($950 installed) and make that power/AF curve look beautiful and put down some nice power.
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you are fucking IGNORANT! shut up.
its all in what you want. the cheapest/best way for your needs i would think would be a mild built bottom end KA(forged pistons, arp head studs and rod bolts) and a commetic head gasket with a bolt on t2 series kit like the sr. but get the s15 spec r t28. s15 injectors, z32 maf and an enthalpy tune. right there is about 4 grand worth of stuff which will put you around or over 300rwhp and levae you 2gs to put into the car like suspension, diff, wheels brakes, paint....etc.
if you go SR don't go big topmount. get a gt2871r, bigger injectors and maff and an enthalpy tune. again you will be looking at between 300-375rwhp depending on the PSI you run.
and with either setup i suggest a AFC hack (safc1 or 2) hack for fine tuning.
if you wanna go baller get the apexi power FC standalone ($950 installed) and make that power/AF curve look beautiful and put down some nice power.
its all in what you want. the cheapest/best way for your needs i would think would be a mild built bottom end KA(forged pistons, arp head studs and rod bolts) and a commetic head gasket with a bolt on t2 series kit like the sr. but get the s15 spec r t28. s15 injectors, z32 maf and an enthalpy tune. right there is about 4 grand worth of stuff which will put you around or over 300rwhp and levae you 2gs to put into the car like suspension, diff, wheels brakes, paint....etc.
if you go SR don't go big topmount. get a gt2871r, bigger injectors and maff and an enthalpy tune. again you will be looking at between 300-375rwhp depending on the PSI you run.
and with either setup i suggest a AFC hack (safc1 or 2) hack for fine tuning.
if you wanna go baller get the apexi power FC standalone ($950 installed) and make that power/AF curve look beautiful and put down some nice power.
You don't even take the time to spell shit correctly and use proper punctuation... You suggest the same shit he could have went to any typical 240sx forum and found on the front page. Durr, Z32maf"F", enthalpy ecu, and T2 series turbo.. Oh yeaz, build da KA too.. it breaks at 250whp... Yea, and I guess you need a com"M"etic for that..?? yea..ok... I guess you need ARPs for that too...yea...
I ran for over a YEAR above 326whp on stock head-studs and stock HG.. Brian Davis "orion" on FA has been on stock HG for a year longer than I have over 300whp.. Go take a look around in the KA world and you'll find out that a shit-ton of people over 300whp use stock the stock head-gasket and stock head-studs..
A T2 setup isn't going to get you anything more than a roller coaster dyno graph.. FYI, the area of a T2 inlet is 2.94" squared. That is the equivalent of a 1.94" diameter pipe.. How much do you think that will flow? I'll give you a clue, the velocity of exhaust gas at 300whp will be around 419ft/sec. The velocity at which drag occurs is around 300ft/sec....
Meanwhile a decent tubular T3 manifold with a T04E will give you the ability to make from 200whp to 430whp and be able to provide you with the means to make good power semi-low(200ft/lbs by 3k and 300ft/lbs by 4k). Which is why SR's see such higher numbers at way lower boost when they switch to say a 50trim.. It will also provide the means to make power to redline assuming you use quality designed parts...
Even using the compressor maps, the T04E is the best matched journal bearing Garrett turbo offered for the KA..
Oh, and good luck getting to 375whp under 20psi on that SR of yours without at least a Freddy IM and a decent set of cams..
Don't even bother suggesting a wideband to this guy.. As long as he has PowerFC(installed), he's good.
The FJO widebands are pretty nice.. They come with the NGK sensor that seems to last quite a bit longer than the Bosch sensor, although my bosch sensor that came with my PLX kit hasn't failed in the two years or so that I have had it on my car(Daily driven)... It was still very accurate in comparison to the AFR on the few recent dyno sessions I had.. The Zeitronix kit also appears to be very good.. In retrospect, I would get something with the ability to datalog... Just food for thought..
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Re: Good motor for s13< ka24det, sr20det ?
I'm ignorant? I guess first hand experience/building my entire car is proof that I'm ignorant? I guess MAKING MY PREACHINGS WORK and proving they work proves I'm ignorant.. NEVER blowing an engine in the 2 and half years I have been boosted(8 months over 400whp) on my original stock engine with 150k on it just shows how ignorant I really am..
You don't even take the time to spell shit correctly and use proper punctuation... You suggest the same shit he could have went to any typical 240sx forum and found on the front page. Durr, Z32maf"F", enthalpy ecu, and T2 series turbo.. Oh yeaz, build da KA too.. it breaks at 250whp... Yea, and I guess you need a com"M"etic for that..?? yea..ok... I guess you need ARPs for that too...yea...
I ran for over a YEAR above 326whp on stock head-studs and stock HG.. Brian Davis "orion" on FA has been on stock HG for a year longer than I have over 300whp.. Go take a look around in the KA world and you'll find out that a shit-ton of people over 300whp use stock the stock head-gasket and stock head-studs..
A T2 setup isn't going to get you anything more than a roller coaster dyno graph.. FYI, the area of a T2 inlet is 2.94" squared. That is the equivalent of a 1.94" diameter pipe.. How much do you think that will flow? I'll give you a clue, the velocity of exhaust gas at 300whp will be around 419ft/sec. The velocity at which drag occurs is around 300ft/sec....
Meanwhile a decent tubular T3 manifold with a T04E will give you the ability to make from 200whp to 430whp and be able to provide you with the means to make good power semi-low(200ft/lbs by 3k and 300ft/lbs by 4k). Which is why SR's see such higher numbers at way lower boost when they switch to say a 50trim.. It will also provide the means to make power to redline assuming you use quality designed parts...
Even using the compressor maps, the T04E is the best matched journal bearing Garrett turbo offered for the KA..
Oh, and good luck getting to 375whp under 20psi on that SR of yours without at least a Freddy IM and a decent set of cams..
Don't even bother suggesting a wideband to this guy.. As long as he has PowerFC(installed), he's good.
The FJO widebands are pretty nice.. They come with the NGK sensor that seems to last quite a bit longer than the Bosch sensor, although my bosch sensor that came with my PLX kit hasn't failed in the two years or so that I have had it on my car(Daily driven)... It was still very accurate in comparison to the AFR on the few recent dyno sessions I had.. The Zeitronix kit also appears to be very good.. In retrospect, I would get something with the ability to datalog... Just food for thought..
You don't even take the time to spell shit correctly and use proper punctuation... You suggest the same shit he could have went to any typical 240sx forum and found on the front page. Durr, Z32maf"F", enthalpy ecu, and T2 series turbo.. Oh yeaz, build da KA too.. it breaks at 250whp... Yea, and I guess you need a com"M"etic for that..?? yea..ok... I guess you need ARPs for that too...yea...
I ran for over a YEAR above 326whp on stock head-studs and stock HG.. Brian Davis "orion" on FA has been on stock HG for a year longer than I have over 300whp.. Go take a look around in the KA world and you'll find out that a shit-ton of people over 300whp use stock the stock head-gasket and stock head-studs..
A T2 setup isn't going to get you anything more than a roller coaster dyno graph.. FYI, the area of a T2 inlet is 2.94" squared. That is the equivalent of a 1.94" diameter pipe.. How much do you think that will flow? I'll give you a clue, the velocity of exhaust gas at 300whp will be around 419ft/sec. The velocity at which drag occurs is around 300ft/sec....
Meanwhile a decent tubular T3 manifold with a T04E will give you the ability to make from 200whp to 430whp and be able to provide you with the means to make good power semi-low(200ft/lbs by 3k and 300ft/lbs by 4k). Which is why SR's see such higher numbers at way lower boost when they switch to say a 50trim.. It will also provide the means to make power to redline assuming you use quality designed parts...
Even using the compressor maps, the T04E is the best matched journal bearing Garrett turbo offered for the KA..
Oh, and good luck getting to 375whp under 20psi on that SR of yours without at least a Freddy IM and a decent set of cams..
Don't even bother suggesting a wideband to this guy.. As long as he has PowerFC(installed), he's good.
The FJO widebands are pretty nice.. They come with the NGK sensor that seems to last quite a bit longer than the Bosch sensor, although my bosch sensor that came with my PLX kit hasn't failed in the two years or so that I have had it on my car(Daily driven)... It was still very accurate in comparison to the AFR on the few recent dyno sessions I had.. The Zeitronix kit also appears to be very good.. In retrospect, I would get something with the ability to datalog... Just food for thought..
alright fuck tard i was referring to the drag/drift statement.
all of my recommendations were cost effective, make GREAT power and weren't gay and bias like yours were.
and yes 300rhwp+ is def possible with a t2 flanged turbo. grow up and research kid. also not have boost lag is nice.
and i have been researching and building and LEARNING from the best for years now. for good STREETABLE power and not a spiky ass power band that can be used for both scenarios.
sit down shut up and quit being a little bitch.
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alright fuck tard i was referring to the drag/drift statement.
all of my recommendations were cost effective, make GREAT power and weren't gay and bias like yours were.
and yes 300rhwp+ is def possible with a t2 flanged turbo. grow up and research kid. also not have boost lag is nice.
and i have been researching and building and LEARNING from the best for years now. for good STREETABLE power and not a spiky ass power band that can be used for both scenarios.
sit down shut up and quit being a little bitch.
all of my recommendations were cost effective, make GREAT power and weren't gay and bias like yours were.
and yes 300rhwp+ is def possible with a t2 flanged turbo. grow up and research kid. also not have boost lag is nice.
and i have been researching and building and LEARNING from the best for years now. for good STREETABLE power and not a spiky ass power band that can be used for both scenarios.
sit down shut up and quit being a little bitch.
How is a T04E powerband spiky? 200 ft/lbs of torque at 3000rpm seems pretty good to me...
No shit its possible sleuth.. You dug up some good info there... But is it efficient? No.. The GT28R, or S15 turbo makes 330whp at best... Its a little small for the KA... Why don't you plot the KA out on a compressor map and see...
This is the KA at ~12psi to 7000rpm on a 50trim.
Price: Ebay is probably the last place I would buy a turbo after seeing some of the garbage that has come off of there(I got lucky on my first setup), but its usually the lowest price.
GT28R on ebay
http://motors.search.ebay.com/search...&fsop=2&fsoo=2
T04E brand new from an authorized Garrett dealer. Complete with a 1337 .48 ar turbine housing to give you the "mAd Tyt3" quick spool that will have full boost at around 3000rpm +/- 100..
http://cheapturbo.stores.yahoo.net/gat350trw48.html
Hmm close to $200 cheaper, more efficient, nearly as quick spool, and the ability to have < 200whp-to430whp...
this kid acting like he don't know the fuck he is talking to. trying to get all technical with the CFM on the exhaust side of a t2 flange.
And I don't know who the fuck I'm talking to. Your screen name, dyno charts, and track times don't ring a bell.. So I guess I wouldn't know who the fuck you are.. I'm not good with names, only results.
Is there some reason you had to come in like a dick and pick a fight..?? Problems being wrong..?? What? If you would have used civil language and had an open debate, it would have been a lot more constructive towards this guy's build.. Way to go... Just the fact that you can't type a sentence without name calling clearly proves to me that you might have read a couple stickies on a couple forums and thats about it..
Just one more question for you.. Is there an intake side of a T2 flange?
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So a spikey ass power band can be used for both scenarios..?? Why don't you slow down and type a coherent sentence complete with capital letters, commas, and periods..??
How is a T04E powerband spiky? 200 ft/lbs of torque at 3000rpm seems pretty good to me...
No shit its possible sleuth.. You dug up some good info there... But is it efficient? No.. The GT28R, or S15 turbo makes 330whp at best... Its a little small for the KA... Why don't you plot the KA out on a compressor map and see...
This is the KA at ~12psi to 7000rpm on a 50trim.
Price: Ebay is probably the last place I would buy a turbo after seeing some of the garbage that has come off of there(I got lucky on my first setup), but its usually the lowest price.
GT28R on ebay
http://motors.search.ebay.com/search...&fsop=2&fsoo=2
T04E brand new from an authorized Garrett dealer. Complete with a 1337 .48 ar turbine housing to give you the "mAd Tyt3" quick spool that will have full boost at around 3000rpm +/- 100..
http://cheapturbo.stores.yahoo.net/gat350trw48.html
Hmm close to $200 cheaper, more efficient, nearly as quick spool, and the ability to have < 200whp-to430whp...
As opposed to not being technical..?? Maybe math and reading owns you...
And I don't know who the fuck I'm talking to. Your screen name, dyno charts, and track times don't ring a bell.. So I guess I wouldn't know who the fuck you are.. I'm not good with names, only results.
Is there some reason you had to come in like a dick and pick a fight..?? Problems being wrong..?? What? If you would have used civil language and had an open debate, it would have been a lot more constructive towards this guy's build.. Way to go... Just the fact that you can't type a sentence without name calling clearly proves to me that you might have read a couple stickies on a couple forums and thats about it..
Just one more question for you.. Is there an intake side of a T2 flange?
How is a T04E powerband spiky? 200 ft/lbs of torque at 3000rpm seems pretty good to me...
No shit its possible sleuth.. You dug up some good info there... But is it efficient? No.. The GT28R, or S15 turbo makes 330whp at best... Its a little small for the KA... Why don't you plot the KA out on a compressor map and see...
This is the KA at ~12psi to 7000rpm on a 50trim.
Price: Ebay is probably the last place I would buy a turbo after seeing some of the garbage that has come off of there(I got lucky on my first setup), but its usually the lowest price.
GT28R on ebay
http://motors.search.ebay.com/search...&fsop=2&fsoo=2
T04E brand new from an authorized Garrett dealer. Complete with a 1337 .48 ar turbine housing to give you the "mAd Tyt3" quick spool that will have full boost at around 3000rpm +/- 100..
http://cheapturbo.stores.yahoo.net/gat350trw48.html
Hmm close to $200 cheaper, more efficient, nearly as quick spool, and the ability to have < 200whp-to430whp...
As opposed to not being technical..?? Maybe math and reading owns you...
And I don't know who the fuck I'm talking to. Your screen name, dyno charts, and track times don't ring a bell.. So I guess I wouldn't know who the fuck you are.. I'm not good with names, only results.
Is there some reason you had to come in like a dick and pick a fight..?? Problems being wrong..?? What? If you would have used civil language and had an open debate, it would have been a lot more constructive towards this guy's build.. Way to go... Just the fact that you can't type a sentence without name calling clearly proves to me that you might have read a couple stickies on a couple forums and thats about it..
Just one more question for you.. Is there an intake side of a T2 flange?
ebay. haha. get off your grammar high horse faggot. and no i picked on you because you were being bias towards either motor for specific uses when they both work. they both have their advantages and disadvantages. i have seen driven built both. have friends who put down more power then you ever will with both. i have learned from the best and taught quite a few people quite a few things. i know what works on a budget and makes good streetable power without a spiky power band that will rip up stock size tires. every setup i mentioned leaves him room to play with other parts of the car while still makeing 300-400 rwhp.
garret gt2871r
* Ball bearing
* Oil & Water-cooled bearing system
* Direct replacement upgrade turbocharger for 466541-1, & 4 used on Nissan SR20DET engine
* Upgrade turbocharger for GT28RS (739548-1); turbine stage outline interchangeable
* Provides better boost response than the 743347-1 & -2 turbochargers
* T25 turbine inlet flange
* Ideal for smaller displacement engines with packaging constraints
* Ideal for smaller displacement engines making up to 460 hp
The T3/T4 Hybrid turbochargers consist of a T3 turbine section, (Stage I, Stage II, Stage III or the Stage V Trim) and a T4 compressor section (T04B trim or T04E trim). This combination offers the low inertia and fast boost response of the lightweight T3 turbine wheel and the high-airflow characteristics of the T4 compressor family.
All T3/T4 Hybrid Turbochargers are available with the patented Ceramic Ball-Bearing option highlighted in the Ceramic Ball Bearing page. The Ceramic Ball-Bearing T3/T4 Hybrid series offers the fastest spool-up available. Coupled with extreme durability, the Ceramic Ball-Bearing concept provides unparalleled performance never before experienced by the turbocharging aftermarket. All T3/T4 Hybrid's are custom matched for specific applications. Airflow ratings from 250 HP to 500 HP
so lets see. smaller turbo makes nearly the same power but all through the power band. both of these were taken from Garret and Turbonetics. so please tell me my information is not correct.
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