that camaro "joes" the white one being talked about in the forum... got pulled on last night... not to impressed... a gsr at 12psi pulled??? damn what would happen if the integ thats fully built turned it to 22psi? hey jeremy "forcedfeginteg" how about u tell them what went down last night.

 

I raced an LS w/ t3t4e at 12 psi, and he pulled on me pretty quick. I'm bone stock.

These were also highway runs.

Noone said the teggie CANT WIN - most of us said that if the camaro guy wasn't lying about his mods, and didnt drive like an idiot, the teggie would probably lose. If he's lying about his mods, which none of us would have any clue, then there's no arguement

 

Why is it a waste to put the money into a 4cyl car as opposed to a V8? the same saying could be applied to people who modify a camaro to run with a corvette! and by the way I know quite a few all motor honda's that didn't cost ungodly amounts of $$$ to eat stock V8's light to light as well as when there are turns involved, how about an H22 in a Hatch.... pretty common swap and pretty potent all motor V8 killer for no more $$$ than it would be to take a v6 camaro and do an LS1 swap or some similar swap. But whats even funnier is the bottom line is if a 4cyl loses to you the popular belief is "well it's only a 4" but if you lose to a 4 the popular belief is "Thats one slow ass V8" when in reality you can make a lot of power with the newer I4's it takes a lot more tuning and all but I look at it this way, I get more enjoyment out of making an extra 10-20 hp at the wheels on a 4 than I would on an 8, just more of a challenge there.

 

Well said.

 

well then you live in the same neighborhood as me probably. I had never heard of this setup but I got a kick out of it after all who would suspect it? I think people really talk too much trash about those guys (the dealership) people seem to think they can go there and buy a track ready car and what people are buying there is a restorable or partially restored car, not to be looked at like a car you buy from a regular dealer. I would never be so brave as to buy an old muscle car from them and expect it to be a daily driver off the lot, If I did I would be a complete fool, I would buy a car from them as a project car.

 

Motor swaps into tiny cars is a completely different arguement. I'm not even going to get into that, because it's pretty common sense, you throw a 200hp motor into a 1500lb car, it's going to be an evil little machine. It won't handle for shit, but it'll definately have killer 1/4 times.

I've been talking about I4's in the sense of modding the one that comes with your car, since the teggie on here, and the camaro both have their original motors..

Anyhow, in SPO there's a thread called "small motors," go read that for other ideas on small motors.

I've heard a million times people love the "challenge" that comes with making a FWD 4cyl fast, do I think that's a stupid reason to buy a 4cyl? Yes. Why? Because it's ALREADY difficult enough, and unlikely for most people to hit 10s or 11s, why would you gimp yourself even more, and have to open your wallet 10x wider, to do it with a 4cyl FWD (notice the FWD, Sti's and Evo's and GSXs and 240's are a totally different nature IMO)?

I'm not some OMG V8S R THE R()X()R guy by any means. I'd take a turbo V6 or I6 over my, or any v8 for that matter, ANYDAY.

My dream car is a 300zx TT, then a 98+ TA. (affordable dream car of course)

I AM on the other hand the most anti-FWD person in the world. I think FWD is the biggest and cheapest shortcut any manufacturer could possibly choose to do.

Believe me, if you told me about a RWD h22a'd hatch, I'd be like.. holy shit, cool.

 

Their cars are shitty because they are all bondoed up. My dad knew the owner, but he lost his life in a boating accident I believe it was. Just go take a close look at them.

 

Well this isn't completely true, h22 hatches don't handle THAT bad, if you spend the money on the right suspension (i.e. springs designed for that swap) if you buy regular springs yeah your front's gonna sag like a bitch!

And if you have a shitty I4 to start out with what do you do? swap it with a B or H series unless your a D series freak then you just drop a junkyard turbo on it and call it a day. The idea is to make sure you have a good platform to start with.

I already knew it was there if you had been paying attention you would have seen I already posted to it.

Because the concept of a sleeper is to pack as much go into the most unsuspecting package. Most people look at a V8 F body or similar car and already assume it's fast, they look at a 4 door golf or civic and assume 4cyl economy car. The problem is when people put outrageous body kits etc on em and they are no longer sleepers IMO because they advertise the potential for being a fast car. This is why I will never go that route with my car, it will appear lowered and on non-factory wheels and that more or less is it, no BIG HUGE LOUD muffler (working on getting a remus that looks the same as my factory and a 2.5" cat back piping kit) or funky hood, if anything I will get a lip kit like the wings west OEM kit, clean and factory looking.

you mean 4WD/AWD? FWD = Front Wheel Drive not FOUR....

I look at AWD not for good launches but for better handling, drive an AUDI with quattro and then tell me how cheap and horrid it is, you can never NOT recover a AWD from a slide

Well how about a RWD H22 Prelude? close enough?

 

Some are some aren't it's up to you the buyer to find out what cars are good which ones to stay away from besides do you expect to find an early 70's or late 60's chevelle for under 6,000 with a straight non bondo body? If you think you will your a fool, hell go look on ebay and see what you can get for their prices.... besides, like I said before in short your buying a rolling chassis that may/may not have a good body and a motor with potential your not buying a regular used car/daily driver.

 

I have a 69 Nova with a straighter body (no bondo) than my 94 Camaro.