oh i wasnt arguing the point that this guy isnt a dumbass....but you can build a bad ass kit for way less than a prefabbed one was all i was trying to get acrost.

 

yes i agree with you there...

 

You need a cold air intake, sucking in that warm air is worse than the stock air filter. Look into getting a new chip for your car, a quality one not some cheap one. Even then youll only see a difference on the highway. Regular street driving youll loose the milage. Learned that with my 325is
On my car making a heat shield was cheap and easy so def look into it. I got my Dinan chip off of ebay for about 100. After installing the chip I wouldve easily paid the 250 full price

 

getting a chip (if available) is only worth tying-up all of the other mods that were already in-place. it's worthless to chip a car if you're going to eventually do the 'other' mods.

 

I disagree with you there. I have seen dyno charts from a book.
I got this information from a book:How To Build Honda Horsepower by Richard Holdener, they are comparing a CAI vs short ram dyno graphs on the same engine.
The CAI produced more power before vtec (like someone here said) more torque due to the lenght of the tube. But the short ram produced more power up on the rpm range. They said power is reduced about 1hp for a 10degree difference. They also tested the car (92 civic si) for top speed, cai=121, short ram=119, stock airbox 117. They took temp. readings during the top speed test and it was 25degrees hotter with the short ram than it was with the CAI. So real world the CAI is better. But they have a solution to have the best of both worlds and this is what I recommend to the accord guy: build a box to enclose the air filter to provide a cold air source. Thats why the AEM v2 is so awesome it takes air from outside and it has a huge diameter then it reduces diameter to act like a short ram.
This is an awesome book and I recommend to to everyone, even if you dont have a honda the information is useful and applicable to any engine.
But then again, like it was already said, colder air=more oxygen=more fuel. So I guess Im not helping you there.

 

also a chip will make you run richer: more gas consumption.

 

I am just helping him out. He did an intake mod its obvious he has been bit my the mod bug. We already explained why he is getting less mileage, I am just taking a step further and telling him things that will not increase his mileage yet still give him the performance he is probably looking for. Most people think that if you dont have 500HP under the hood your car is crap. Most people dont realize that if you shave weight and upgrade suspension parts that you can make your car have a higher top speed, accelerate faster and of course handle better at those higher speeds. Besides its safer to do this to your car if you plan on going fast anyway. You know what you are talking about I can tell so Ill stop preaching to the choir.

PS-so what if its an accord...thats like saying hey its only a 70 bug...that can do the 1/4 mile in 10 seconds and is still a daily beater. The platform doesnt matter these days with the way car manufacturers make the engines swappable between chassis(especially Honda).

 

In the end....

 

if you dont know shit about the car dont say anything just because its cheaper and easier to make a civic go fast doesnt mean shit. anyone can go buy a busted ass car and throw an engine in whoopdy fucking do, why dont you try something a lil more challenging, swap the h22 for an easy way to get the most power, or reasearch the h23 f20b h23/h22

 

Civics are cheaper and easier to make faster. Accords definately are a lot more challenging. Not as much you can do with them, they weigh alot, and are more expensive to make faster. Best/easiest way to make an accord faster is an H22 swap. Definately costly. I don't mean to bust on anyone's car. In my opinion, not the best car to try to mod. But I guess to each his own...

And for some reason, I thought you'd be the next one to reply....haha