^ i thought you were defending the 3.0's?

 

I was, not really. It really is toyotas most poorly put together engine but I do have to take up for it to an extent just because it is what I drive.

 

Soo what is so bad about a Montero?

http://www.edmunds.com/new/research/...i/montero.html

http://www.forbesautos.com/advice/to...road/suvs.html

 

Nothing if you keep it on the road.

haha, that forbes website. Why don't they ask the end users what they think about it for offroading. lmao It has an h2 as the #2 vehicle for offroading if that tells you anything.

 

Yea, ahead of a land rover.. I have seen many tests that say its a decent 4wd SUV..

What do you consider to be excellent?

 

Back in high school, soccer game days, the whole team drove lifted 4x4's and we would go out 4 wheelin before the game since JV had to play and what not. IT was a fucking blast, what was funnier was that some of the teammates would bring their moms old volvo's and shit hahah. We always went down catabwa and turned right at that rinky dink gas station (I forget the roads name but it just kept going past state maintance and turned into creek crosses mudd pits.) Good times...

 

Ha... I know exactly where you're talking about!! I haven't been out there this year though. Last time I was on that road I broke off a few running boards. I had the bright idea of "screw the road..... let's go straight down the creek bed and meet up with the rest of the guys at the next creek cross." All in all... a good time though!

 

Its called Broad Run/Stone Coal Gap

 

Ahh.... yeh thats it.... I couldn't think of the name either.

 

Depends what you mean? Are you referring from the factory or after modified? The h1's are tough but the h2 is a pos(axles tend to break left and right). Land rovers are excellent and very offroad capable but the reliability of those vehicles are horrible. The new toyota fj cruiser is an awesome vehicle and toyotas most capable offroad vehicle(from the factory) that they have ever produced.

One other thing which is funny. Is that the lx470 is listed. Exact same thing as the land cruiser only lexus' version. So I guess that list is more a long the lines of "off-roading in luxury". But that leaves one question.... why is the montero on there? In fact the montero is really the only mid-size suv on the list and it is definately not luxuriously compared to the others.

Now for my mitsubishi rant... (sorry mitsu) Mitubishi has made some kickass cars between the dsm's, gvr4, evo's and fto's but your reliability fucking sucks compared to every other japanese car manufacturer. Maybe you got it right on the new montero but I doubt it.

As far as off-road capable after modified... I have to give that to the sammy's. These are some killer offroading machines. It's like wheeling a street legal golf cart!!! Unfortunately they are not typically too practical for daily driving... which once again brings me back to...

TOYOTA. Toyota has dominated the USA in it's truck and car line with their reliability and excellent resale value. Ranking number 2 in sales in the USA just after gmc but will be sticking it in gmc's ass in the years to come. Toyota has proven themself and came on strong in all racing events and soon to be nascar. The offroad capabilites of toyota 4x4's are awesome. Toyota knew what they were doing when they designed their 4x4's(with the exception of the 3.slow, but that can always be swapped with the 5vzfe or my motor of choice the 1uzfe)

Done with my rant... I will now leave you with an awesome top gear video of a hilux diesel to show what a beating toyotas can take.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nD0UVI99R8Q&search=hilux