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Old Aug 25, 2004 | 01:45 PM
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thanks Del,
thats exactly what i was trying to point out.

I was trying to answer the 2 questions you posted, kalokohan.
If you are in a 2 ton suv, why would you insanely swerve when a 350lb bike comes close to you? Why not just stay in your lane?
If a car hits a person, or a motorcycle, or a semi, someone is gonna get hurt. It doesn't matter what they are driving. So, instinctively, you are going to insanely swerve out of the way inorder to avoid harm to someone else or to yourself.
Old Aug 25, 2004 | 01:54 PM
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and the officer in the story is right, motorcycles are more harm to other vehicles than you would think... i saw my best friend hit a car a while back on his bike, not 90 degree T-bone but probably hit him at like a 45 degree angle, the car was totaled, when i went to look at it there were two impacts, the first you would think was where the bike hit(it was actually where he hit) the second you'd think a very large truck t-bone the car but it was actually where the bike side swipped it, and that was a big buick or something at like 40ish mph
Old Aug 25, 2004 | 02:25 PM
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I didn't want to jump in one way or the other 'cause I usually end up getting someone's panties in a wad, but......................


We'll never know what "really" happened as none of us were there. I've seen many a stand up wheelie and an in-experienced stunter can very easily weeve in one direction or the other. The wind is a huge determining factor in this. So it's not uncommon for someone doing a stand up wheelie to swerve and maybe cut someone off.

Now for the other side.........

Most poeple don't even really know what the true definition of being "cut-off" is. It's when someone either changes lanes right in front of you or pulls out in front of you and are travelling at a slower rate than you are; in turn usually causing you to jam on the breaks! That's being cut-off.

I have changed lanes numerous times on the bike travelling at much higher speeds than those I am passing and most of them hit the brakes anyway. Just because.

I've even had some catch up to me at a light and try and chew me out for cutting them off. So I give them the explanation I just gave above and ask them how in the world they were gonna hit me when I was travelling at least 20mph faster than they are.


So back to the story at hand: it isn't hard to believe that some cager slammed her brakes when she didn't have to..............it happens all of the time...........................
Old Aug 25, 2004 | 02:56 PM
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this is funny

Sometimes, authorities said, packs of 10 or 15 sport motorcyclists have raced on Phoenix-area highways, terrifying other motorists. Often, one officer lamented, "their kick is to find cops, race by them, give them the middle finger salute or wave at the officer. They are out of sight in the blink of an eye."
Old Aug 25, 2004 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by CBR600F4
Most poeple don't even really know what the true definition of being "cut-off" is. It's when someone either changes lanes right in front of you or pulls out in front of you and are travelling at a slower rate than you are; in turn usually causing you to jam on the breaks! That's being cut-off.

I have changed lanes numerous times on the bike travelling at much higher speeds than those I am passing and most of them hit the brakes anyway. Just because.

I've even had some catch up to me at a light and try and chew me out for cutting them off. So I give them the explanation I just gave above and ask them how in the world they were gonna hit me when I was travelling at least 20mph faster than they are.
Thats what i was trying to say. But oh well, we werent there, so we wont know. Just hope bullshit like that doesnt go on around here.
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Originally Posted by Mr.6
Just hope bullshit like that doesnt go on around here.
Oh it does, unfortunately it does.
Old Aug 31, 2004 | 03:57 PM
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here is some more info on the accident i found from another forum.
sounds like the kid caused the accident, i'll have to finish reading this write up later:
Found this on another forum, about the bikes that supposedly caused an SUV to crash with 8 inside.....

Seems the kid was chasing the bikers.....Hmmmmm..

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By Jeremy Kohler
Of the Post-Dispatch
08/28/2004

Cory Evans loves the wheelie-popping lifestyle of stunt cyclists. He reads the glossy biker magazines and has been searching ads for a racing cycle of his own.

Cory, 16, of Florissant, and the motorcycles he loves were at the center of a terrible crash that injured eight people on the Page Avenue Extension on Aug. 21. The incident had the St. Louis area buzzing last week about daredevils on bikes. Are they artists? Are they a menace? Do they have a right to expression, or should they be reined in?

Cory was at the wheel of his mother's Ford Explorer that Saturday night with four friends. They were headed toward the home of another friend in St. Charles County, and stopped about 7 p.m. at QuikTrip on Route 94 and Kisker Road.

Four gorgeous bikes were there. A Suzuki GSX-R750 in red and another in blue. Light, powerful, agile machines. With them were a lime-green Kawasaki Ninja and a black Honda.

"Hey, nice bikes," he told the riders, according to his mother, Tina Evans.

Cory's group was expected at their friend's nearby. Instead, they headed back east some 10 miles, eventually taking Highway 364, the Page Avenue Extension, back toward St. Louis.

Tina Evans, who provided this account - but would not let a reporter speak with her son - says she believes they were headed to pick up another friend.

Either by luck or by design, then, Cory stayed with the stunt bikes. Each rider pulled up on one wheel as they zipped toward the Missouri River, the sun sinking in the western sky.

It's a stunt seen ever more often on highways from coast to coast. So-called extreme biking has expanded in popularity; Hollywood has made stars out of stunt drivers. Even the historically staid Motor Cyclist magazine this month started a new publication, Super Streetbike, to reach the wheelie-popping crowd without causing its base of older readers to fret.

For adrenaline junkies, it's an affordable way to get their speed. The fastest bikes cost barely more than an economy car.

Cory "is into it," Tina Evans said. "He is wanting to get one."

The bikes were in the left lane, Cory's Ford Explorer in the center. At right was a Chevrolet Suburban with eight friends heading to a Lynyrd Skynyrd concert at UMB Bank Pavilion in Maryland Heights.

Exactly how the crash happened is still under investigation by the Missouri Highway Patrol. What is known is that the bikes cut to the right across two lanes, then exited the expressway at Upper Bottom Road. Witnesses told police that, while the bikers had been performing stunts, they were far enough ahead so that they didn't cut anyone off.

But, for some reason, when the bikes cut into the center lane, Cory cut over to the right lane and T-boned the Suburban.

"Oh . . . ," shouted the driver, Terry Woodson, 44, of O'Fallon, Mo. That's what one of his passengers, Todd Wenick, 41, of St. Charles, remembers.

Begging for life

The Suburban veered off the highway and rolled at least six times. Wenick remained inside the Suburban. So did Nicholas Woodson, 14, Terry's son.

Everyone else was thrown, including Wenick's wife, Jill Wenick, 40, and their son, Ryan, 25. Terry Woodson and his wife, Debra Woodson, 38, were thrown. So were Kimberly Gronek, 38, and her husband Mark Gronek, 44, of St. Charles.

Todd Wenick said he suffered a separated shoulder and injuries to his back, neck and knees. But he felt no pain.

"I asked Nick, 'You OK?' and he said, 'Yeah,'" Todd Wenick said. They crawled out a window.

The bodies were cast over a wide area. Nick found his mother, who said she couldn't feel or move. Jill Wenick was maybe 15 feet from her, covered in blood.

Todd Wenick found Ryan, who seemed unscathed. He escorted him uphill to the side of the road, where a couple stopped and said they would stay with him.

"I told him Mom's fine, but I needed to get back and get her," Wenick said. "I just prayed and begged for her life. I got her to talk. She opened her eyes. I just couldn't lose her. We've been together since the seventh grade."

No charges have been issued in the crash. Police say they don't know the identities of the bikers, but they want to find them. They could face charges for careless and imprudent driving - or worse.

"I'd like to wait and see what the police write up and what the witnesses say and if they ever catch these clowns," said St. Charles County Prosecuting Attorney Jack Banas.

Although some initial reports indicated that the motorcycles may have been accompanied by someone filming their stunts from a car, police now say they don't believe that was the case.

Stunt riders in St. Louis

When St. Louis area media outlets reported the accident, the story line was obvious: Those stunt cyclists you've seen around town? Some of them might have caused a serious crash.

Probably the area's best-known stunt drivers call themselves the Streetfighterz. They run a kiosk at South County Center, where they sell DVD recordings of stunts they've performed for the past five years. Most of the videos were shot on Interstate 55 between downtown St. Louis and south St. Louis County, using the Gateway Arch as a backdrop. One of their stunts includes a 14-mile-long wheelie.

The Streetfighterz say they have sold 70,000 videos, bringing in $1 million. They have myriad connections and sponsors. They're tight with a rock band, Sted-Fast, which includes the musician who created the beats and sounds behind most of Nelly's hits.

Sted-Fast performs the Streetfighterz theme song, "Ride On," and shows video featuring their stunts during live shows. A few TV news channels, too, played footage from a Streetfighterz video while reporting on the accident.

The exposure on the evening news compelled someone to write on the Streetfighterz's Internet site: "If you see a big, black Cadillac tooling down the highway, don't go @#%$ around flying past me and endangering everyone around you, because I guarantee as soon as I see you coming I'll swerve into your lane and knock your stupid ass off that Japanese piece of @#%$. That would be a great video!"

The threat came as a shock to the four members of Streetfighterz, who are used to adulation and the occasional peeved police officer. They say they weren't the four bikers on Highway 364. They resent the implication that they caused a crash and fled.

However, they freely admit to performing - and filming - their high-speed stunts on highways. They know it's illegal. They say police have issued them some 80 tickets since 1999, though only a few for actually performing stunts.

From basketball to bikes

Moreover, the Streetfighterz members reject the notion that they are either a danger or an undue distraction for motorists. There are plenty of potential distractions on the road, they say. Rude bumper stickers, for example. Gaudy sports cars. Scantily-clad women.

"If a naked lady is going down the road and you crash, you can't blame the naked lady," said one of the Streetfighterz, James Vaughn, 30, of south St. Louis County. "You gotta blame yourself."

Another member of the Streetfighterz, Dennis Cardwell, 26, of Arnold, said he can control his bike with one wheel in the air as well as most drivers can control their cars.

The Streetfighterz say they don't advocate stunt riding. In fact, they would rather no one else did it. But they acknowledge that the trend is taking off, thanks in part to their videos.

The foursome met playing basketball at the YMCA in South County and later started talking about their mutual love of motorcycles. The friendship turned into a competition. As each began to hone his skills, they started filming themselves on highways for training purposes.

Later on came the idea of selling the videos. Why do the stunts? Cardwell and Vaughn were asked. Because they can, they said. Today's bikes are lighter and quicker than those of yesteryear. The stunts are exciting. People like them. If their fans can't do the stunts, they said, they want to see experts like them doing them.

"They like what they do," said the group's lawyer, Les Steinberg. "But there is no way to do it without breaking the law."

The survivors in the Suburban are too badly hurt to compare notes about the crash. Todd Wenick said his wife suffered two broken hips and serious facial injuries. Ryan Wenick has vertebrae injuries, bruises to his lungs and heart, a broken arm and a concussion.

Todd Wenick said he and Terry Woodson have met frequently at St. John's Mercy Medical Center in Creve Coeur, where both of their wives are hospitalized.

The extent of injuries to the others were unavailable because of medical privacy laws, but at least Mark Gronek, too, remained hospitalized as of Friday.

Todd Wenick said he feels the wheelie-popping cyclists caused a diversion, and said he hates to see more youths doing stunts on motorcycles.

So, too, does Tina Evans, Cory's mother.

"I'm trying to keep an open mind," she said. "I'm afraid for my son to get (a motorcycle) now.

"All I know is they were doing tricks," she said. "I don't think they should be doing tricks on the highway. It's distracting and should be illegal. There is a place for that out in the country where there are not a lot of people."

Tim Bryant of the Post-Dispatch contributed to this report.

Reporter Jeremy Kohler
E-mail: jkohler@post-dispatch.com
Phone: 314-241-9435
Old Aug 31, 2004 | 05:53 PM
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sounds like a newbie cager to me....yet they still blame the bikers. wtf.
Old Aug 31, 2004 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Chino
sounds like a newbie cager to me....yet they still blame the bikers. wtf.


That is some bullshit. Your kid fucking watched the stunting instead of watching the road, his fault, not stunters. And so the kid should be blamed, and the fucking hurt people should be blamed for not wearing belts. With a better side to the story, one can finally pass judgement!



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