the cams at the intersection of Va Beach Blvd and Independence are up and running. be careful out there

 

HELL YES!! when i get off at 2 am and im driving home, noone is on the roads at times and i roll up and that shit goes red!!!and than STAYS red MUCH longer than normal... i would at least find it humorous if after it did that...it flashed "HAHA FUCK YOU !!!! WE MADE YOU STOP" lol.....

 

its not even the "invasion of privacy" aspect of it that makes the lights bad
it makes people feel like they cant run a yellow light and they will try and slam on the brakes when they are about 15 feet from the intersection.
i cant tell you how many times ive been behind people that do this. seen a few accidents this way to.
the lights will make people even more likely to just slam on the brakes when the logical thing to do it just keep on going

 

and thats not a problem unless someone is following too close.

 

Or has an equipment failure.

At any rate, that's like saying an SUV that rolls when it's tires are low on pressure and the tread separates is not a problem unless someone doesn't check his tire pressures. It's nice to say, but the reality is most people aren't doing things properly, and the people in charge (be it in government or Ford) know this, and are supposed to account for it.

 

they are, getting rear ended is much better than getting t-boned. Maybe if people know the cameras are there and are going to be slamming on their brakes, maybe they will also know people are going to be slamming on the brakes and not follow so close.

 

Shit in one hand and theorize in the other, see which fills up first.

Instead of positing maybes, how about we look at the numerous studies done in a variety of countries over a variety of time periods that have ALL concluded that traffic safety decreases following red light cameras? You'll note that the virginia study looked at injuries, not just accidents, and found an increase in injury crashes as well (and yes, they considered all crashes at an intersection, i.e. not just looking at rear-end collisions that result in injuries).

 

thats true
ive made that mistake before and almost paid the price for it

what's the fine for running a red light and getting cause by the lights?

 

BTW, keep in mind that they'll fine if your front tires cross the white line, even though you did come to a complete stop, something no cop would ever do. Or let's say the guy behind you was too close and you didn't want to get rear ended, a cop would see that and perhaps understand. A camera wouldn't. At the very least if pulled over you could possibly obtain witnesses, or at least have a fresh enough recollection to argue your justification in court. Camera tickets on the other hand do not notify you quickly enough to do this.

And again, I still don't like how they've flipped parts of the burden of proof.

 

Don't know if it's different for camera tickets, but it's normally $100 + $62 administrative/court fee (depending on if you pre-pay or contest).