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Old Sep 3, 2006 | 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by blackevo110
youre awesome Nick- time and again you prove your uselessness. You couldnt come back with anything to rebut, so you took it to a second grade level and threw in that it blows dick.

Just for clarification, why would an ABS sensor come on if he is in the middle of acceleration and not braking?
Um.. .its a dummy light. It comes on whenever the hell it wants, just like in the middle of dyno pulls.

Run on the dyno - light should come on.
Do a burn out - Light should not come on.

Both are front tires sitting still and rear moving.

Old Sep 3, 2006 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by audiS4_apr
How can that be true? They ran the dyno in awd mode to avoid possible abs sensor problems. If your car is rear drive and is having to spin the front tires on the dyno, of course the hp reading will be lower.

If you take your car to the dyno and know **for a fact** that there will be no abs sensor problems, why not tell the dyno guys that you will release them from liability and to go ahead and disconnect the front wheel roller?

How can you say the dyno is bad when it was the mode it was operated in that cause the low readings?

I don't work there either..
All it will do is flash the light, that is all.. Shut the car off and go for a drive, the light will not come back on..

Originally Posted by Hatch Man(GsR)
The GTO is a 2wd car, but was run in Awd mode so that the ABS would not freak out when it sensed that the front wheels were not spinning at the same rate as the rear. This would cause the ABS to kick in and possibly slow the rear wheels, which in turn would cause a problem or an inaccurate reading...
I'm very curious.. How EXACTLY will an ABS light slow the rear wheels..? For the reason it would come on during a dyno pull, is what lilspic said.. The rear tires are moving and the front arent.. In no way, shape or form is that cause to "activate" or drag the rear brakes.. The only thing it means is that a wheel speed sensor (the front) are reading 0MPH, as the rear are reading ***MPH, meaning, you wont have ABS when you hit the brakes next time..

Do you work for them..? I really hope not..
Old Sep 3, 2006 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by blackevo110

Just for clarification, why would an ABS sensor come on if he is in the middle of acceleration and not braking?
Wow.. Just wow...

I'm not sure on GM's ABS system's, but on Ford's ABS system, after 13 MPH, if 1 wheel speed sensor is reading more then 2 mph off the other 3, while moving, not braking, the ABS light will come on..

You guys are really hurting yuorself trying to argue this point..
Old Sep 3, 2006 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by litlespic
Run on the dyno - light should come on.
Do a burn out - Light should not come on.
difference being one the brakes are applied or the car is rolling...the other the fronts don't move and the brake pedal isn't pressed
not to make the big mention but all manufcaturers have difference programs for there TC and ABS systems
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Originally Posted by To0C0oL
Wow.. Just wow...

I'm not sure on GM's ABS system's, but on Ford's ABS system, after 13 MPH, if 1 wheel speed sensor is reading more then 2 mph off the other 3, while moving, not braking, the ABS light will come on..

You guys are really hurting yuorself trying to argue this point..
i didnt hurt myself for shit, i was asking a question. i didnt argue the ABS point.
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Originally Posted by Homemade WRX
difference being one the brakes are applied or the car is rolling...the other the fronts don't move and the brake pedal isn't pressed
not to make the big mention but all manufcaturers have difference programs for there TC and ABS systems
True, however, NONE of them will activate the rear brakes or do anything of the likes, for the ABS.. Traction control, yes, ABS, no..

I'm rather confused in this statement you just made..

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Old Sep 3, 2006 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by To0C0oL
True, however, NONE of them will activate the rear brakes or do anything of the likes, for the ABS..
are you saying that just if the ABS light comes on?..if so that's true...but with new fly by wire it is becoming standard for ice conditions that the throttle start closing...apparently the GTO doesn't have this
Old Sep 3, 2006 | 12:28 PM
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OK.. I'm going to try and sum this up from an outsiders few, sems I have no experience on an AWD dyno..


Originally Posted by Hatch Man(GsR)
However, there may be a difference between the calibration of Awd and 2wd which would explain the strange numbers... The GTO is a 2wd car, but was run in Awd mode so that the ABS would not freak out when it sensed that the front wheels were not spinning at the same rate as the rear. This would cause the ABS to kick in and possibly slow the rear wheels, which in turn would cause a problem or an inaccurate reading...


Gathering the info from this statement, its seems to me that both rollers on the dyno are connected, unless dissconnected.. So, I'm going to assume that an "AWD" mode, the HP/Trq reading are taken by using some sort of table using the power sent to BOTH rollers.. Correct?

So, your dynoing a 2wd car, in "AWD" mode, which means both rollers are still connected, for the reasoning stated above.. Therefore, I'm guessing that the table using the measure the HP/Trq is still the SAME table use to measure 2wd cars, which means that the front tires are causing the front rollers to "drag", due to no power being at the front wheels.. So, using that same table to calculate AWD HP/Trq, the numbers are much lower on a 2wd car, because the table is equating both rollers, not just the powered rollers..

Correct? thats what I'm gathering from all this..

But doing that is, well, kinda stupid.. 2WD dyno's, the ABS light comes on as well, simply for tha fact the the WSS's are getting mixed readings.. Shut the car off and take it for a drive, no ABS light and it does NO damage to any of the sensor's or ABS system.. as litlespic said, its simply a dummy light..
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What is the world coming to when the most intelligent sounding poster in a thread is ToOCoOl?
Old Sep 3, 2006 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Homemade WRX
are you saying that just if the ABS light comes on?..if so that's true...but with new fly by wire it is becoming standard for ice conditions that the throttle start closing...apparently the GTO doesn't have this
When the ABS light comes on, the only thing that means is that during an hard stop, say when the ABS would normally engage, you will have no ABS and possibly lock up the tires..

Traction control works a little differnt, but almost every vehicle with traction control, you can turn off, so.. Yea..



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