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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 04:27 AM
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Default Re: H22A1 or H23A1?

Originally Posted by Uh_Dave
No hybrid motor is reliable.
No?
Old Oct 19, 2006 | 04:29 AM
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Default Re: H22A1 or H23A1?

Originally Posted by Enigma
K20
Actually I was entertaining the thought of doing a K24 in the Prelude I used to have a couple years ago. That would be very nice.
Old Oct 19, 2006 | 04:30 AM
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Default Re: H22A1 or H23A1?

Originally Posted by redlineludesi
Actually I was entertaining the thought of doing a K24 in the Prelude I used to have a couple years ago. That would be very nice.
The K20 revs, the K24 torques.

Choose one.
Old Oct 19, 2006 | 04:36 AM
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Default Re: H22A1 or H23A1?

Originally Posted by Enigma
The K20 revs, the K24 torques.

Choose one.
No hybrid motor is reliable if you don't know how to tune it.
You can have both in just a K24... or like everyone else does do a K20A head...
Old Oct 19, 2006 | 05:16 AM
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They aren't designed to do the things we do to them. Non vtec blocks and a cam/stroke ratio then the vtec motors, you throw shit off when you do these things. THey will break but the quality of the work and miles on motor changes how long they last.
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Default Re: H22A1 or H23A1?

Originally Posted by redlineludesi
No hybrid motor is reliable if you don't know how to tune it.
You can have both in just a K24... or like everyone else does do a K20A head...
You just totally contradicted yourself.

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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 05:54 AM
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Default Re: H22A1 or H23A1?

Originally Posted by Uh_Dave
They aren't designed to do the things we do to them. Non vtec blocks and a cam/stroke ratio then the vtec motors, you throw shit off when you do these things. THey will break but the quality of the work and miles on motor changes how long they last.
Dave,
These motors weren't designed to drop 300+ to the wheels and how many people do that on their daily drivers? Do you read Honda Tuning?

I don't understand what you mean by what is in bold. And you also contradicted yourself with what is underlined.

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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 06:08 AM
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I in no way shape or form contradisted myself. It is completely accurat. motors like ls/vtec for example:

The ls block isn't designed to have a vtec head. The vtec head has a different rod to stroke ratio then the ls block. The motors are considered time bombs. This has been made a fact for years.

What I was saying about the underlined is that. This is just a quote for example, there are many people that might have done better but this is an average: The AVERAGE ls/vtec will only last about 50k miles, ever quarter mile pass takes of an average of 50 miles. The average ls or b16 motor will last 200k miles, and they don't really have a limit on the other comment.

If you build the motor it might last longer than 50k. I am trying to say that if you build a motor right then it will still be slowly breaking but not as bad.
Old Oct 19, 2006 | 06:24 AM
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Default Re: H22A1 or H23A1?

Originally Posted by Uh_Dave
I in no way shape or form contradisted myself. It is completely accurat. motors like ls/vtec for example:

The ls block isn't designed to have a vtec head. The vtec head has a different rod to stroke ratio then the ls block. The motors are considered time bombs. This has been made a fact for years.

What I was saying about the underlined is that. This is just a quote for example, there are many people that might have done better but this is an average: The AVERAGE ls/vtec will only last about 50k miles, ever quarter mile pass takes of an average of 50 miles. The average ls or b16 motor will last 200k miles, and they don't really have a limit on the other comment.

If you build the motor it might last longer than 50k. I am trying to say that if you build a motor right then it will still be slowly breaking but not as bad.

The block isn't designed for VTEC, but you can mate the VTEC head to it to gain compression and air-flow up top.

The head has NOTHING to do with rod/stroke ratio. The reason those motors blow is the R/S ratio and the drivers thinking because they have a VTEC head they can rev it out on stock sleeves. There is too much side-load for the motors to last. If you build by the numbers ANY hybrid motor will not only last, but will be very powerful.. If you don't rag it everyday.
Old Oct 19, 2006 | 08:40 AM
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Default Re: H22A1 or H23A1?

Originally Posted by Enigma
The head has NOTHING to do with rod/stroke ratio.
The cams also have a lot to do with rod/stoke ratio, The entire motor is designed around that and when you change something as important as a block with different design it does make a difference.



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