Thanks for the info Del La Sol...I should have called you first.

I checked my local dealer they wanted $250 for everything OEM. I went with a Barnett. It's suppose to include everything including a stiffer spring for $139 shipped.

Will it hurt to ride it with thre clutch slipping? Hoping to get it put in Thursday.

Anything else I should do while it's out?

 

The only problems you can run into with clutchless shifting is doing it wrong like Del said. If done improperly this can cause you to get that "false nuetral" more often than not and make it so you need a new gear assy sooner than you should.

You need to find the proper rpm range for your bike for the best shifting. If done properly there is ABSOLUTELY no harm done to ANY part of your tranny or clutch. None.

When shifting up you should be on the throttle accelerating as normal. Then start applying pressure to your shifter like you're trying to shift; don't touch the clutch. Then as you're trying to shift just let off of the throttle for a split instant. Your foot should then pop the bike into gear just fine. But you have to be forceful about it, don't be scared. Just shove it into gear; hard. If you don't it might pop out and give you that false nuetral.

For down shifting it's pretty much the opposite. Just start applying pressure with your foot to the shifter to down shift. Then blip the throttle and give it a little gas to again hit that perfect rpm range and you should downshift no problem.

Downshifting feels allot worse than it really is. Upshifting usually always feels smooth, but downshifting can feel harsh.

Just do it right and you shouldn't have any problems............

 

sounds easy enough, but I think Ill just keep using the clutch lever too

 

 

CBR are you describing clutchless down shifts? or just telling him to regular down shift? b/c clutchless down shifting is an extremely bad idea

lewis- wow 250 is a little on the high side for oem, but 150 for barnett isn't bad at all if it comes w/ metals too, just remember to let the fiber plates soak in oil for 30 minutes to an hour before you put them in

 

Been doing it for about 2 years now...................no problems. You have to apply MORE throttle when you are downshifting; if you don't; as in trying to cut the throttle off "like when you're upshifting", you can cause major damage.

So, cut the throttle when upshifting. And apply more throttle when downshifting.

When done "properly", clutchless up or downshifting is completely harmless.

Watch any supersport race; that's all they do............even the no money dudes with stock bikes! (and yes I know that they use GP style shifting; doesn't make a difference to your clutch!)

The only time I use the clutch when downshifting is if I want to use my rear tire to help slow me down.

 

some people do clutchless downshifts but its more common on 2-strokes that don't have the hard engine braking of a 4 stroke, or on 4 strokes equipped with slipper clutches, but even many of the pro guys that have cryogenically treated tranny's and can have them rebuilt every single race use their clutch on downshifts, even if its just the quickest stab at the lever with a finger or two

if you were just about perfect at rev matching then i guess the clutch wouldn't be necessary what so ever except for on the start, but since we don't have computer like rev-matching skills i like using the clutch to take up that +/- 100 rpm instead of letting the transmission have to support that load... plus using the clutch will allow you to have atleast some control over rear wheel hop, i just can't imagine doing it unless you were racing

i've never actually tried it, might have to now... what gear changes are you doing it on? the only time i've heard it being done is on the 6-5 shift and occasionally 5-4 on some bikes

 

For downshifting? All the way from 6th to 1st.

This is during hard riding by the way. I'm not talking about to and from work commuting here. I'm taking about out in Pungo riding; which is mostly all I do on the bike. And if I do use the clutch to downshift it's to slow the bike down; like you said 4 strokes are good for.

 

Speed shift all the way!!!!!!!!! Since I learned to do that I never use the clutch, just in traffic.