BMW 335 or Infiniti G35?
05-23-2006, 04:39 AM
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Re: BMW 335 or Infiniti G35?
Bigbake, Its not that BMW has it to the barrier of no more tweaking.. its that the ecu senses the mods and tweaks itself back to the set map, Now if u flash it,the mods come to life, and its 500$ for a flash, or hell 1200$ if u wanna go standalone.
05-23-2006, 06:35 AM
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Re: BMW 335 or Infiniti G35?
Originally Posted by Moriar
Bigbake, Its not that BMW has it to the barrier of no more tweaking.. its that the ecu senses the mods and tweaks itself back to the set map, Now if u flash it,the mods come to life, and its 500$ for a flash, or hell 1200$ if u wanna go standalone.
I got a 2004 330i, find me some software.... there is none, because they have already looked into it. I mean the factory added cams and exhuast and gained a whole 5hp over the standard 330, I think that says a lot right there. Dinan does not make a tune, and there is no "Shark" available for my model. Here is something to further illustrate my point car with the following mods: Modifications: Conforti Shark+CAI/SS Headers+High Flow Cats/Custom T304 pipe/Eisenmann Race muffler
Sorry but thats a lot of money and only a 5rwhp gain, it speaks volumes! No that is not mine.
05-23-2006, 07:19 PM
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Re: BMW 335 or Infiniti G35?
Originally Posted by BigBake
Uhhh yeah, it was just stated the stock ECU cannot be tweaked further, so a stand alone which costs big $$$$, fuel system big $$$$, turbos $$$$, new exhuast big $$$$, anything BMW related = big $$$$$$$$. The costs would amount to the same as placing a turbo on a NA set-up, so whats the point?
Same concept...which would you rather have for 600hp? a 330 or 335tt?
Originally Posted by BigBake
Internals were never the discussion pont, just the fact that you are not simply going to up the boost, and expect the stock ECU to allow for that tweak. To give you a finer point, the 3.0l has no tuning software available from any major tuner for a good reason. The gains were so minimal it was not a worth while project. So what makes you think the turbo version is going to have such a huge amount of slop involved? Just because it is FI? Ok you keep thinking that. Those other manufactirers it is well known that even the NA model could be modified to get good gains in there NA models. So I am not following your point. The LS1 for instance can take a moderate cam without any tuning done and come out with average gains of 25rwhp, throw a tune onto it and up to 60rwhp is not unheard of.
Nobody in their right mind would just add some sort of boost control and turn it up without adding the appropriate fuel/timing adjustments. Especially not aftermarket...so saying that this will be STOCK ecu is moot. But even if it was stock ecu, software upgrades would undoubtly interrupt the stock ecu's ablity to adopt for the mods.
FI changes engineering from almost EVERY perspective...ESPECIALLY ecu tune for postive pressure. Your point by using the 3.0l NA as a comparision becomes also moot due to this fact.
Yet again...i ask you. For 600hp which would you rather have...a 3000gt SL? or 3000gt VR-4?
What i will concede is that modifying a BMW...any BMW costs a little bit more money than your average pushrod ls1. BUt what i am saying is that modifying a turbo bmw will yeild better bang for buck than the NA counterpart. You even said it yourself...
Originally Posted by BigBake
Not being argued, it is well known why they want to do this. The increased amount of torque makes for an excellent commuter car, combined with an already good inline 6 makes for a great driving car. It loses none of its mid range or upper rpm performance, and gains a huge amount of torque at 1800rpms and up. A major win for performance with excellent efficiency.
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Re: BMW 335 or Infiniti G35?
Originally Posted by BigBake
I got a 2004 330i, find me some software.... there is none, because they have already looked into it. I mean the factory added cams and exhuast and gained a whole 5hp over the standard 330, I think that says a lot right there. Dinan does not make a tune, and there is no "Shark" available for my model. Here is something to further illustrate my point car with the following mods: Modifications: Conforti Shark+CAI/SS Headers+High Flow Cats/Custom T304 pipe/Eisenmann Race muffler
Sorry but thats a lot of money and only a 5rwhp gain, it speaks volumes! No that is not mine.
Sorry but thats a lot of money and only a 5rwhp gain, it speaks volumes! No that is not mine.
E36 325/28's see even greater gains from the same bolt ons.
Just because the e46 330i doesn't, doesn't mean all bmw's will react the same way. I understand that i can't speak the same by stating reciprocal, but its more than likely my way than yours.
05-24-2006, 02:59 AM
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Re: BMW 335 or Infiniti G35?
Originally Posted by JKim
I ask you...Which would you rather have for 600hp? a NA supra or a ttsupra?
Same concept...which would you rather have for 600hp? a 330 or 335tt?
Same concept...which would you rather have for 600hp? a 330 or 335tt?
The internals were implied. This just will not be be a standard 3.0l with two turbos slapped on. It was already stated that this was going to be a totally new direction for BMW, and they wouldn't blotch it by simplying bolting on two turbos without the aid of stronger components to handle extra power.
Nobody in their right mind would just add some sort of boost control and turn it up without adding the appropriate fuel/timing adjustments. Especially not aftermarket...so saying that this will be STOCK ecu is moot. But even if it was stock ecu, software upgrades would undoubtly interrupt the stock ecu's ablity to adopt for the mods.
FI changes engineering from almost EVERY perspective...ESPECIALLY ecu tune for postive pressure. Your point by using the 3.0l NA as a comparision becomes also moot due to this fact.
Yet again...i ask you. For 600hp which would you rather have...a 3000gt SL? or 3000gt VR-4?
What i will concede is that modifying a BMW...any BMW costs a little bit more money than your average pushrod ls1. BUt what i am saying is that modifying a turbo bmw will yeild better bang for buck than the NA counterpart. You even said it yourself...
Yet again...i ask you. For 600hp which would you rather have...a 3000gt SL? or 3000gt VR-4?
What i will concede is that modifying a BMW...any BMW costs a little bit more money than your average pushrod ls1. BUt what i am saying is that modifying a turbo bmw will yeild better bang for buck than the NA counterpart. You even said it yourself...
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05-24-2006, 03:09 AM
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Re: BMW 335 or Infiniti G35?
Originally Posted by JKim
E36 m3's see great gains from pretty simple bolt ons.
E36 325/28's see even greater gains from the same bolt ons.
Just because the e46 330i doesn't, doesn't mean all bmw's will react the same way. I understand that i can't speak the same by stating reciprocal, but its more than likely my way than yours.
E36 325/28's see even greater gains from the same bolt ons.
Just because the e46 330i doesn't, doesn't mean all bmw's will react the same way. I understand that i can't speak the same by stating reciprocal, but its more than likely my way than yours.
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