You really need to understand that Z06's are one of the best handling cars out there. I don't know how they compare to M3s, so I wont comment on that.

The Z06 is a very, very high tech machine, don't underestimate it.

Brian (cobra4b) tells you all about it in that sti vs evo thread

 

umm i have yet to see a 4 second import...

 

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is 117 mph fast?

 

I am well aware of the technology in the current vette's etc no one is bashing your hallowed vette shrine just saying I wouldn't spend 50k on it, or ANY american car plain and simple cadillac NOT excluded, I hate those things, not only are they ugly but they are just HUGE, shit I could live in an escalade, why buy a house?

 

I think the Caddilac CTS is one of THE best luxury vehicles around. It's completely de-grannified, and you can get them for about 28k. All options will run you in the upper 30s, but man, they have THE nicest interior, and the best options I've seen out of anything recently.

Shit, my grandmas 2001 Northstar (2000 something) is a killer car.

And the new caddilac roadster is fucking SEXY, not worth the 80k thought. And the new caddilac supercar? OMG sex.

Why are you so anti-american car? I hate plenty of cars, but I can find plenty of imports and domestics I love.

 

the older cadillac STS (I think) were a car that I thought was pretty cool, the 96' era Impala SS's were pretty badass in my book but the F-bodies they more or less did away with and after the 80's they just never seemed to get back to being real "muscle" cars and then when they did (WS6's etc) the prices were outrageous, Muscle cars USED to be cheap (other than the gas) and fun, now they are less fun (as compared to old school muscle) and EXPENSIVE so for my buck I would rather a more reliable comfortable and better performing showroom vehicle, I mean the new VW's are badass, especially for a sub 20k car look at a golf 1.8T great platform capable of 400WHP now THATS a sleeper and thats one of the things I like about imports is the sleeper factor you guys in your F-Body cars see a golf or gti whatever and you chuckle about it till one like the one on this site blows your doors off (that to me is entertaining) or if I decided to go all out with a turbo build on my lude and make it a monster in stock clothing the look on a cobra drivers face or some other big $$$ V8 american car would be priceless

 

Nothings a sleeper nowadays, the internet ruined that.

Blame OPEC & federal regulations on fbodies not being "fun" anymore. I think my cars fun as shit when I get on it, nothing feels better than flooring a shitload of torque.

All car prices went up, don't you drive a 5th gen? They're what, 23k brand new? An Fbody is about..25? How are these overly expensive? They're MADE to be a fast car that a lot of people can afford, the whole pony car mentality. Only problems with them is insurance being a fortune. There's NOTHING unreliable about an fbody, I bought mine at 105k, have driven it to 135k no problems. I had TONS of problems with both of my Preludes. The only unreliable part about an fbody is the rear end if you throw a good amount of mods on it. The SBC is practically bullet proof, shit, mine's even iron cast.

GTI's are nice, but I'll never buy another FWD car. Why would you buy a FWD car if you planned to make 400whp and race it? You can't defy physics no matter how hard you try.

Besides, you can grab an LS1 for 12k, and an LT1 for 3-6k nowadays. That's Honda prices. Why would you blow 10k on a GSR, just to have to blow another $5k on a turbo setup to match a bone stock LS1? There's no logic to it.

 

looks to me like you enjoying taking something small and normally un noticed and turning it into something too beat around the V8's. I do not recall of reading any import bashing posts in this thread. people may have given you a hard time, but in the same those people respect the same things you respect about a car, regardless of the make and model.

we all have our fair share of the people who believe "On the Seventh day God created Honda or F body..." but majority rules and the majority respect a nice car and the hard work and effort behind it.

From reading this thread, most of the flaming is a direct result of the lack of knowledge and research before a statement was made.

Facts are LS1's will produce over 400 rwhp with just a camshaft and bolt ons. which have been proven to yield mid to low 11 sec passes on motor alone, and some of these cars back their shit up with some N2O.

On the other side of the spectrum we have a fully built (stated many many times i might ad) import that runs in the high or mid 12's.


a race can always go either way. but i want to say many a post, was about bang for the buck. you can pick up an LS1 F body now a days for $18k and slap another $6k of mods on it and be over 400 to the tire.

how much does this import in question cost? then how much to build this beastly motor to not only handle boost but N2O on top of that.. the car must have huge injectors and one heck of a fuel system, and a very beefy drivetrain just to get to the rated power that LS1 etc.... was at from the factory. what i think the V8 guys are getting at is throw your motor in there heavy cars and see how it runs.... or throw their V8's in your light import and see how much faster it runs...

honestly, none of this really is important at all.... what is important is the skill and knowledge it took these people to get there rides to where there at.

thats respectable.

 

Remember when I told you I grew up on american muscle and learned to drive on a 72' Nova witha 396 and M21, I know what it feels like but after a while I got this idea it was more fun to do the latter while turning.


[QUOTE=flo w fx]All car prices went up, don't you drive a 5th gen? They're what, 23k brand new? An Fbody is about..25? How are these overly expensive?

Yes I drive a 99 and originally (to the first owner) it went for 25,423 me I bought it about 2 years ago, I paid considerably less for mine.

Preludes have their problems for a few reasons 1. they were honda's test bed for race technology applied to their consumer market sports cars, expect to see shortcomings in the S2000 as well. and of the 25k I have put on the ticker both highway but mostly city and quite a bit of agressive/hard (whatever you want to call it) driving I have had only a few problems, nothing major however.


chevy for some reason has always put rear ends underrated for the cars potential, i.e. 8 bolt rears in camaro's (older ones) when they should have all ben 10 and 12 bolts! and yes the sbc has ALWAYS been one of the best motors to build in the V8 world, what better a motor to punch at least .030 over, cam etc etc than the 350 4 bolt main sbc, great motor, I had one in a 71 Chevelle backed by a TH350, full manual valve body shift kit etc, fun car, went from a 307/Powerglide to 350/350 running 12's and drove to high school the whole time.

I am not saying I aspire to build a 400whp FWD beast but I was just saying who would expect that out of a gti? especially if cosmetically it looked stock? and you know you would be embarassed as shit if you joked a guy about one and it made you eat shit like that gti could do to a LOT of v8's on here. I would prefer an A2 golf/jetta before the newer ones, I like cars with sharper lines, geometric looking, one of my favorite features of the 5th gen ludes.

I am a teg hater (yep I said it!) just because to me they are just a fancy civic, they are noisy and the ride quality just plain sucks, not to mention they are as common as 7-11's are around here, I have no interest in a car everyone has, but IF I was going the teg route I could easily build a turbo setup for well under 5k prolly in the ballpark of 2.5-3k and run 10-12psi which we all know would make that car a little on the mean side. And really it would be just to see the look on a V8 guys face when I blew the doors of em, because "it's a 4cyl and it's not supposed to do that"

 

Agreed and although I clearly stated I didn't like domestics (current models anyways) I don't think I bashed them...

The research I did was based on what GM put out however accurate or inaccurate the info was (i.e. fudged HP numbers) was not decided by me, I am well aware of the capabilities of the LS1's but what I was comparing was advertised specs.

As far as the cost of the guy with the 400hp golf I dunno how much $$$ exactly he has invested although I don't think it has been as much as one would think. But if you want to hear about a import motor in a domestic or vice versa, I know a guy who built a 350 sbc and dropped it in a MKIII supra turbo shell backed by a 4L80 trans I believe (Basically TH350 + OD? T/A trans) and the thing looks stock, and weighs about 22-2400 hows that for a semi-domestic killer? the guy even threw in a cheesy lookin exhaust tip and some other various rice to throw off the unsuspecting domestic driver

I have built quite a few cars both with friends in the domestic circle, Fox bodies, F-bodies (aren't the older monte SS's F-bodys or are they A-body cars??) as well as a couple BMW 2002's (older model) as well as VW's A2 and A3 cars and now I am playing with honda/acura, but I think I will end up back in a VW or Audi (same car to me) but I still wanna get my turn with a MKIV Supra