230mpg "Car"
Americans tend to have a perception that bigger=safer, but that's not necessarily true. An intuitive design goes a hell of a lot farther. Being surrounded by more metal just adds more to the F=ma equation, quite frankly.
One of my professors is actually working on something like this for the Auto X prize competition. Got to help brainstorm some design aspects with him a little this year, its pretty cool stuff. Hopefully some of the other students and I can get more involved with that project.
But yeah, I agree, great commuter!
One of my professors is actually working on something like this for the Auto X prize competition. Got to help brainstorm some design aspects with him a little this year, its pretty cool stuff. Hopefully some of the other students and I can get more involved with that project.
But yeah, I agree, great commuter!
300 MPG vs 25 mpg (93 miata or average commuter). 15k miles a year. I took out maintenance/car payment interest/ depreciation as factors. I am assuming an outright purchase @ 27k for the electric car. The normal buyer probably will have an interest rate associate with the purchase.
Total Costs
Ugly car: 50 gallons of gas ($200/year @ $4 gal)
Y1 = 27200 (car + gas)
Y2 = 27400 (etc.)
93 Miata: 600 gallons of gas a year ($2,400/year @ $4 gal)
Year 1 = 5400 (3k car+ 2400 gas)
Y2= 7800
....
y10= 27000
Y11= 29400
In summary, you would need to own/drive the electric car over 10 years to make it cost efficient. Once passed the 10 year threshold you will realize a savings of 2,200 a year.
Total Costs
Ugly car: 50 gallons of gas ($200/year @ $4 gal)
Y1 = 27200 (car + gas)
Y2 = 27400 (etc.)
93 Miata: 600 gallons of gas a year ($2,400/year @ $4 gal)
Year 1 = 5400 (3k car+ 2400 gas)
Y2= 7800
....
y10= 27000
Y11= 29400
In summary, you would need to own/drive the electric car over 10 years to make it cost efficient. Once passed the 10 year threshold you will realize a savings of 2,200 a year.
Last edited by Newbsauce; Jun 6, 2008 at 05:57 AM.
How many "average" people keep a car 10 years anyway? Very few people bought a 93 Miata in 1992 and are still driving it. On the average, most are going to buy a vehicle every two-five years. Something that gets 230 mpg isn't a bad thing to consider, especially if the government is going to provide some form of subsidy for it. Besides... once one rolls out, many more will follow. Then good ol' capitalism will drive the cost down from an entry-level luxury to an average economy car.
Of course once that happens... gasoline demand goes down, price goes down, and we all buy Hummers again
Of course once that happens... gasoline demand goes down, price goes down, and we all buy Hummers again
300 MPG vs 25 mpg (93 miata or average commuter). 15k miles a year. I took out maintenance/car payment interest/ depreciation as factors. I am assuming an outright purchase @ 27k for the electric car. The normal buyer probably will have an interest rate associate with the purchase.
Total Costs
Ugly car: 50 gallons of gas ($200/year @ $4 gal)
Y1 = 27200 (car + gas)
Y2 = 27400 (etc.)
93 Miata: 600 gallons of gas a year ($2,400/year @ $4 gal)
Year 1 = 5400 (3k car+ 2400 gas)
Y2= 7800
....
y10= 27000
Y11= 29400
In summary, you would need to own/drive the electric car over 10 years to make it cost efficient. Once passed the 10 year threshold you will realize a savings of 2,200 a year.
Total Costs
Ugly car: 50 gallons of gas ($200/year @ $4 gal)
Y1 = 27200 (car + gas)
Y2 = 27400 (etc.)
93 Miata: 600 gallons of gas a year ($2,400/year @ $4 gal)
Year 1 = 5400 (3k car+ 2400 gas)
Y2= 7800
....
y10= 27000
Y11= 29400
In summary, you would need to own/drive the electric car over 10 years to make it cost efficient. Once passed the 10 year threshold you will realize a savings of 2,200 a year.
Their website claims 230 mpg:
http://aptera.com/about.php
Drivetrain info:
"Diesel or Gasoline? Our first prototype, the Mk-0, was a parallel hybrid Diesel and achieved an average of 230 MPG at a steady state of 55 MPH. This was pure Diesel/mechanical drive with no electric assist."
Now, really the gas wasn't a factor if you look at the numbers. Even with an electric car that uses NO gas.. at a 27k price tag it would still take 10 years to pay for itself.. you would just realize a 2,400/year savings rather then a 2,200. According to the site, the real cost will be 28-30k.. plus tax and tags. Tack on another year...
http://aptera.com/about.php
Drivetrain info:
"Diesel or Gasoline? Our first prototype, the Mk-0, was a parallel hybrid Diesel and achieved an average of 230 MPG at a steady state of 55 MPH. This was pure Diesel/mechanical drive with no electric assist."
Now, really the gas wasn't a factor if you look at the numbers. Even with an electric car that uses NO gas.. at a 27k price tag it would still take 10 years to pay for itself.. you would just realize a 2,400/year savings rather then a 2,200. According to the site, the real cost will be 28-30k.. plus tax and tags. Tack on another year...
Last edited by Newbsauce; Jun 6, 2008 at 06:58 AM.
Their website claims 230 mpg:
http://aptera.com/about.php
Drivetrain info:
"Diesel or Gasoline? Our first prototype, the Mk-0, was a parallel hybrid Diesel and achieved an average of 230 MPG at a steady state of 55 MPH. This was pure Diesel/mechanical drive with no electric assist."
Now, really the gas wasn't a factor if you look at the numbers. Even with an electric car that uses NO gas.. at a 27k price tag it would still take 10 years to pay for itself.. you would just realize a 2,400/year savings rather then a 2,200. According to the site, the real cost will be 28-30k.. plus tax and tags. Tack on another year...
http://aptera.com/about.php
Drivetrain info:
"Diesel or Gasoline? Our first prototype, the Mk-0, was a parallel hybrid Diesel and achieved an average of 230 MPG at a steady state of 55 MPH. This was pure Diesel/mechanical drive with no electric assist."
Now, really the gas wasn't a factor if you look at the numbers. Even with an electric car that uses NO gas.. at a 27k price tag it would still take 10 years to pay for itself.. you would just realize a 2,400/year savings rather then a 2,200. According to the site, the real cost will be 28-30k.. plus tax and tags. Tack on another year...
Buy an old full gasoline car, or a new hybrid with a warranty that gets the same if not better gas mileage. I hate it when the comparison of a 1985 honda vs. a 2008 hybrid is compared. Apples and oranges in my opinion. Gas dependant, almost gas independant.
Their website claims 230 mpg:
http://aptera.com/about.php
Drivetrain info:
"Diesel or Gasoline? Our first prototype, the Mk-0, was a parallel hybrid Diesel and achieved an average of 230 MPG at a steady state of 55 MPH. This was pure Diesel/mechanical drive with no electric assist."
Now, really the gas wasn't a factor if you look at the numbers. Even with an electric car that uses NO gas.. at a 27k price tag it would still take 10 years to pay for itself.. you would just realize a 2,400/year savings rather then a 2,200. According to the site, the real cost will be 28-30k.. plus tax and tags. Tack on another year...
http://aptera.com/about.php
Drivetrain info:
"Diesel or Gasoline? Our first prototype, the Mk-0, was a parallel hybrid Diesel and achieved an average of 230 MPG at a steady state of 55 MPH. This was pure Diesel/mechanical drive with no electric assist."
Now, really the gas wasn't a factor if you look at the numbers. Even with an electric car that uses NO gas.. at a 27k price tag it would still take 10 years to pay for itself.. you would just realize a 2,400/year savings rather then a 2,200. According to the site, the real cost will be 28-30k.. plus tax and tags. Tack on another year...
Idea's like will break us into a new age, this only 1 persons free time gone into this project, get multitudes of people, with lots of money and there will be many many projects, this is the future because it HAS to be the future, its the only way for us to survive with out being dependant on foreign oil. Also he said they have made a completely eletric car, so when those become readily available and and cars with 200+mpg are available gas will be under a dollar because the demand will drop so much.
Imagine if they made eletric tractor trailers? the cose of food delivery would plument, yielding a ton of savings for products, lowering inflation.
On the bright side, where we are at now, with these new inavations it can only get better in the technological advances, how ever it will get worse for the average person before it gets better.
That's pretty badass for a commuter.
For sport, I'd love an Opel EcoSpeedster conversion.
http://archive.cardesignnews.com/aut...ter/index.html
I'm seriously digging the transition to small displacement power plants pushing a super light weight chassis.
For sport, I'd love an Opel EcoSpeedster conversion.
http://archive.cardesignnews.com/aut...ter/index.html
I'm seriously digging the transition to small displacement power plants pushing a super light weight chassis.
300 MPG vs 25 mpg (93 miata or average commuter). 15k miles a year. I took out maintenance/car payment interest/ depreciation as factors. I am assuming an outright purchase @ 27k for the electric car. The normal buyer probably will have an interest rate associate with the purchase.
Total Costs
Ugly car: 50 gallons of gas ($200/year @ $4 gal)
Y1 = 27200 (car + gas)
Y2 = 27400 (etc.)
93 Miata: 600 gallons of gas a year ($2,400/year @ $4 gal)
Year 1 = 5400 (3k car+ 2400 gas)
Y2= 7800
....
y10= 27000
Y11= 29400
In summary, you would need to own/drive the electric car over 10 years to make it cost efficient. Once passed the 10 year threshold you will realize a savings of 2,200 a year.
Total Costs
Ugly car: 50 gallons of gas ($200/year @ $4 gal)
Y1 = 27200 (car + gas)
Y2 = 27400 (etc.)
93 Miata: 600 gallons of gas a year ($2,400/year @ $4 gal)
Year 1 = 5400 (3k car+ 2400 gas)
Y2= 7800
....
y10= 27000
Y11= 29400
In summary, you would need to own/drive the electric car over 10 years to make it cost efficient. Once passed the 10 year threshold you will realize a savings of 2,200 a year.
300 MPG vs 25 mpg (93 miata or average commuter). 15k miles a year. I took out maintenance/car payment interest/ depreciation as factors. I am assuming an outright purchase @ 27k for the electric car. The normal buyer probably will have an interest rate associate with the purchase.
Total Costs
Ugly car: 50 gallons of gas ($200/year @ $4 gal)
Y1 = 27200 (car + gas)
Y2 = 27400 (etc.)
93 Miata: 600 gallons of gas a year ($2,400/year @ $4 gal)
Year 1 = 5400 (3k car+ 2400 gas)
Y2= 7800
....
y10= 27000
Y11= 29400
In summary, you would need to own/drive the electric car over 10 years to make it cost efficient. Once passed the 10 year threshold you will realize a savings of 2,200 a year.
Total Costs
Ugly car: 50 gallons of gas ($200/year @ $4 gal)
Y1 = 27200 (car + gas)
Y2 = 27400 (etc.)
93 Miata: 600 gallons of gas a year ($2,400/year @ $4 gal)
Year 1 = 5400 (3k car+ 2400 gas)
Y2= 7800
....
y10= 27000
Y11= 29400
In summary, you would need to own/drive the electric car over 10 years to make it cost efficient. Once passed the 10 year threshold you will realize a savings of 2,200 a year.







