Nice edit, but it still doesn't change the fact that the new one run the quarter mile faster than the old one. It, therefore, should be more a muscle car than the original. Whether or not they took handling into account is irrelevant because it's still faster. Furthermore, the AWD can't hurt when launching (as long as it doesn't break)

 

alright, i just woke up and i'm off to work, i'll read up on the 4+ pages of stuff later.

corvette, not muscle car...ever
mustang, not muscle car...ever
challenger, not muscle car...ever
camaro, not muscle car...ever

there were years in there where they were similar. corvette is a sports car, mustang, challenger, camaro...all pony cars. They weren't built from a family car, these cars were built from the start to be something different. mustang didn't try to sell to a family man, they went after the young crowd. See any old mustang advertisement for proof. The challenger and camaro were to compete with these cars.





ugh, i just got to the end of this and read that website...to me i consider a "muscle car" and "pony car" different but who am i to argue with a website?
at least they said i have a pony car and muscle car

 

so now the focus has gone from "is it a holden, a pontiac, or a buick?" to "is it a muscle car?"

well on this one, i would have to agree with spic and followers. i would never have said that this 07 gnx that's supposedly coming out was a muscle car. i fully never expect to see a muscle car produced ever again. and imo that's fine- that leaves the old ones more to be appreciated when and if i ever do decide to build one. but that doesn't change the point that it doesn't HAVE to be a proverbial "muscle car" to "live up" to its "heritage". granted, they could have gotten away with naming it something other than a gnx, but why not? as blaxican and greygti have already stated MANY times, it IS faster and all-around better than the original, so there is no disgrace involved. besides, retro is cool these days.

basically, you people who are arguing whether or not the car deserves to be labeled a gnx or a gto are neglecting a huge point- i'm sure GM never intended to come out with a car that was identical in every aspect to the originals. these cars were most likely meant to be reminiscent of them, a "new-age rendition", if you will- which would, of course feature all the amenities that modern day performance cars have, such as handling prowess and awd. you also have to look at its major source of competition-as someone has already noticed the 07 skyline gtr is slated to have very similar characteristics AND a very noticeable name so i'm sure that car had something to do with this announcement.

there's just alot more going on behind the scenes that you people are just too blind or stupid to think about, or just choose to overlook in your pain and anguish over the cars not being exact replicas of the originals.

 

Furthermore, AWD would weaken the drivetrain, decrease the amount of fun able to be had in the car, lower it's handling capabilites, decrease the gas mileage, and slow the car down in everything except first gear. Yes, AWD is a genius idea.

omg I have followers.

.. umm.. 'cause it's a Pontiac. It was shoved under Buick's face and they were told 'market this under your line.. or die' by the GM execs.

I understand how marketing works. That doesn't mean I think it's an awesome idea, and that doesn't mean I think it's cool for GM to bout the name 'Grand National' on a Pontiac, no matter how much money they think it will make them.

I understand how a company works, how they think this will make them money, and all of that bullshit. However, I wouldn't necessarily care if Christ Almighty came down from Heaven on a Chartiot of Fire and shouted in a voice of thunder "BUICK SHALL MARKET A PONTIAC CAR AS THE NEXT GRAND NATIONAL". I'd still be pissed, 'cause no matter who's idea it was, it wasn't Buick's idea, and it's still a Pontiac.

 

ok. so this entire thread has spawned because you're pissed.

so.... don't buy one.

oh wait wait here's more advice- don't get into marketing.

you are one stubborn son of a bitch.

 

No, me being pissed has spawned because of the amount of people that replied "OMG I WANTZ 1 OF THOSE!!" to a Pontiac with Grand National on the side of it.

No fuckin' respect. None. That's a slap in Buick's face. Blap.

.. and you're just as stubborn, you buttfuckin' son of a bitch.

 

i may be when i know i'm right. (buttfuckin???)

you're still acting like buick is a personal friend of yours that you named your children after because he saved your life in 'nam or some shit. people on this board are going to want that car whether it's named a gnx or murcielago or leganza or whatever.

 

Does it look good?

Yup.

Is it quick?

Yup.

I'd buy that shit

 

I think you need to go read some history. The GTO was not all about the straight line. While it did "dominate" there, it was meant to be an all around deal...hence it's name.

 

Isn't that the point of arguing your point? Spic hasn't waivered on his "respect" argument...

There was never an '83 'Vette.