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Old Jan 14, 2008 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by El Negro
You haven't actually read that, have you?

I mean, I'm no fan of Glocks, but the listed reasons for its "kaboom" include overcharging of rounds and improperly maintained weapons. It also shows that the failures occur in a other guns and has pictures and cases of the failure in the USP series from Hk.

The issue is with shitty ammunition, not the gun.
Did you read it? It happens primarily in Glocks and yes mainly from reloads but it does happen with factory ammo as well. The HK malfunctions were shown to be solely the result of faulty reloads as opposed to the Glock design of the chamber.

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At the S&W IDPA Winter Championship this past Saturday (28 February) I personally saw a Glock Model 34 with its barrel split top from bottom all the way through the breech. The kB! occurred in front of many witnesses. The shooter was using factory PMC practice ammo.

I had my Canon D10 with me but felt it would have appeared unprofessional to ask for some photos or try to get contact info for the owner.

Anyway, that's the first 9 x 19mm Glock kB! I've ever seen, and with factory ammo no less!
Due to Unsupported chamber

* Lack of full case support in the critical area over the feed ramp of all large caliber (.40 S&W, 10mm, .45 ACP) Glock
Old Jan 14, 2008 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 12th and Hyde
Did you read it? It happens primarily in Glocks and yes mainly from reloads but it does happen with factory ammo as well. The HK malfunctions were shown to be solely the result of faulty reloads as opposed to the Glock design of the chamber.



Due to Unsupported chamber

* Lack of full case support in the critical area over the feed ramp of all large caliber (.40 S&W, 10mm, .45 ACP) Glock
Actually, it doesn't happen primarily in Glocks. I've been witness to many types of catastrophic failures with many types of guns. It's been my experience that it happens in 1911 handguns. Why? Because they have unsupported chambers.


Oh look! They saw the same thing:

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Many 1911-style handguns have partially unsupported case mouths, and numerous case separations have occurred in these guns. Early .38 Super barrels were particularly susceptible, and the critical observer may have noticed the predilection among USPSA .38 Super competitors for full beards in an attempt to cloak the vestiages of what came to be known as "super face."
Old Jan 14, 2008 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by El Negro
The issue is with shitty ammunition, not the gun.
Originally Posted by El Negro
Actually, it doesn't happen primarily in Glocks. I've been witness to many types of catastrophic failures with many types of guns. It's been my experience that it happens in 1911 handguns. Why? Because they have unsupported chambers.
so is it the shitty ammo or the gun?
Old Jan 14, 2008 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 12th and Hyde
so is it the shitty ammo or the gun?
Shitty ammunition causes the issue in Glocks and .45ACP 1911 because of the use of unsupported chambers.

Now, since a VAST majority of super .38 shooters reload, you'll see that it happens more frequently with them.

Again, the issue you're bringing up is not particular to Glocks, nor is it even prevalent in Glocks.

It's like trying to say that a particular make of car is shitty because it doesn't run well when you put water in the gas tank.
Old Jan 14, 2008 | 01:08 PM
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I have over 2000 rounds through my G22 (.40) not a single ejection failure or problem using remington and winchester target rounds.
Old Jan 14, 2008 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TRBO MR2
I have over 2000 rounds through my G22 (.40) not a single ejection failure or problem using remington and winchester target rounds.
That's not a whole lot of shooting. I've had my Kimber for a few months and it's already seen around 2500 rounds.
Old Jan 14, 2008 | 01:53 PM
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Tim, thoughts on a good subcompact semi-auto?
Old Jan 14, 2008 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 12th and Hyde
so is it the shitty ammo or the gun?
Most of the time it's shitty ammo.

I own a 2nd gen Glock 19 in 9mm and a H&K USP compact in 40 S&W. USP's have hexigon barrels and you can't shoot unjacked ammo through them. Both Glock & H&K state not to shoot reloads or unjacked ammo through them. I've owned both guns 7 - 8 years and shot a few thousand rounds though the USP and never had so much as a failure to feed. At the range i shoot the FMJ winchester ammo most of the time with a mag or two of Federal Hydroshok when my defensive ammo has been sitting for a few years.

The only problem i've ever had with my Glock is a failure to feed due to user error. I find that i don't fully seat the magazine in the Glock all the time. I like it's light weight and longer trigger pull compared to the USP but the USP is just a better all around gun.
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While we are on the subject, does anyone have any personal experience with the Springfield XD40? I've been thinking about picking one up.
Old Jan 14, 2008 | 05:25 PM
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I have the XD45 and I love it. Natchez has owned the XD40, and Black Nugget has owned the XD9 and both of them have nothing but praise for it.

IMO, I'd go with the XD45. You lose 1 round capacity and the gun is the exact same size to the naked eye (maybe 1mm difference in width/thickness). I actually want to try the XD45 SC now that they have one to see how my grip is on that because that would make a great carry gun at 10+1 on a SC frame. I currently carry my 4" XD45 every day (13+1) and its great, but I want something smaller thats a little easier to conceal.


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