Creeds Airstrip: Track Planning
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Re: Creeds Airstrip: Track Planning
Originally Posted by DeepFreeze
still not sure why you left without me.
we need a ton of shots.
from the photos, this place actually looks more possible as a road course before a drag strip. the trees need to come down though. how much money 2cool, do you think the removal of the trees will be?
we need a ton of shots.
from the photos, this place actually looks more possible as a road course before a drag strip. the trees need to come down though. how much money 2cool, do you think the removal of the trees will be?
a lot....m y rents just had 1 pine tree removed from there back yard and it cost $400.
and i dont think there is a big enough road course following in the area to open it as a road course.....
i also would like to see the pics if someone could email me i would like it a lot
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Re: Creeds Airstrip: Track Planning
I'm in the civil engineering squadron(heavy equipment shop) at the 192nd guard base near richmond. We have done plenty of land clearing, even though it's usually for a military/disaster relief purpose. If this idea actually comes to life someday, and you need someone to prep the land...i can probably get the guys at the shop to help out. We can write it off as a charity and some of the older guys can get points towards retirement.
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Re: Creeds Airstrip: Track Planning
Originally Posted by NEO_WRX
I'm in the civil engineering squadron(heavy equipment shop) at the 192nd guard base near richmond. We have done plenty of land clearing, even though it's usually for a military/disaster relief purpose. If this idea actually comes to life someday, and you need someone to prep the land...i can probably get the guys at the shop to help out. We can write it off as a charity and some of the older guys can get points towards retirement.
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Re: Creeds Airstrip: Track Planning
If we need cabling done for phones networks servers and stuff I'll see if the owner of the company I work for would be interested in helping out or something. From what I hear he likes to race 911's don't know for sure but I'll he if he would be interested. As far as road courses go I don't drag race but I do LOVE my curves. 
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Re: Creeds Airstrip: Track Planning
Originally Posted by BearNVa
If we need cabling done for phones networks servers and stuff I'll see if the owner of the company I work for would be interested in helping out or something. From what I hear he likes to race 911's don't know for sure but I'll he if he would be interested. As far as road courses go I don't drag race but I do LOVE my curves.
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Re: Creeds Airstrip: Track Planning
Maybe this info may help you guys:
If you can track this family down they may be a valuable source of information about the facility and how to go about getting a track opened in Virginia Beach.
Pictured at PA's York US 30 in 78 is the "Quicksilver" Vette. Name Mac King appears just below the window opening. Comp # of 290 indicates the car/driver was from the southeast. Anybody know the background on this car/driver combination? (Charles Hoopes photo)
UPDATE, 10/00, thanks to Scott Amiss: "From what I recall, this driver was from the Virginia Beach area. Driver ran series of cars with the same name, including an early '70s Challenger. Challenger was a BB/FC. All of these cars were show quality but never seemed to "be there" in the performance department."
UPDATE, 10/00, thanks to "Raider": "Okay, now for what it's worth. Mac King and his son Lance run Royal Silver, a plating company, here in Norfolk. They do live in Va. Beach. At one time Mac was co-owner/operator of the Creeds Drag Strip out in Pongo (no kidding) a rural area just south of Va. Beach. Last thing I heard ('bout two or three years ago) their receptionist Melissa was running an alky car here on the "right coast". Mac's been involved with Alky cars as long as I've known Lance, call it mid-80's.
UPDATE, 10/00, thanks to Scott Amiss: "From what I recall, this driver was from the Virginia Beach area. Driver ran series of cars with the same name, including an early '70s Challenger. Challenger was a BB/FC. All of these cars were show quality but never seemed to "be there" in the performance department."
UPDATE, 10/00, thanks to "Raider": "Okay, now for what it's worth. Mac King and his son Lance run Royal Silver, a plating company, here in Norfolk. They do live in Va. Beach. At one time Mac was co-owner/operator of the Creeds Drag Strip out in Pongo (no kidding) a rural area just south of Va. Beach. Last thing I heard ('bout two or three years ago) their receptionist Melissa was running an alky car here on the "right coast". Mac's been involved with Alky cars as long as I've known Lance, call it mid-80's.
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Re: Creeds Airstrip: Track Planning
He owned a '70 challenger, must be a good man
I think i remember seeing a camaro at a show down there that had 95% of the engine plated, i think it was that company that did it. Anyways, i think plating everything in gold/chrome is tacky but it looked fancy.
ps this post helped your cause not one bit
I think i remember seeing a camaro at a show down there that had 95% of the engine plated, i think it was that company that did it. Anyways, i think plating everything in gold/chrome is tacky but it looked fancy.
ps this post helped your cause not one bit
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Re: Creeds Airstrip: Track Planning
Here are a couple of the old threads about this:
http://www.dragva.com/forums/archive...p/t-32978.html
http://www.dragva.com/forums/archive...p/t-19681.html
It seems to come up every couple of years. Some people did a fair amount of research about Creeds and it may useful now also.
Here's a good post:
http://www.dragva.com/forums/archive...p/t-32978.html
http://www.dragva.com/forums/archive...p/t-19681.html
It seems to come up every couple of years. Some people did a fair amount of research about Creeds and it may useful now also.
Here's a good post:
Originally Posted by roadRacer
I don't know exactly when the drag strip opened up, but I think somewhere around 1970 or so. The deal was that the entire place was owned by the city of Virginia Beach and they would give track operators only a short term lease on the property. They basically could come along almost anytime and say "your lease is up". And they did do this at least a couple of times. This was the downfall of the place. Nobody would spend the long term money to do major improvements with the possibility of the city comming along and saying "You are out" and the next track promoter getting the benefits of the previous owner's investments.
The track was 1/8th mile and in all honesty the runoff room was a little short. It was run as a 1/4 mile track for a short period, but they had a few bad accidents because of the length of the track.
The last promoter tried to develop and entire motorsports park at the place. He included ATV racing, Mud Bog (FWIW that is where the Grave Digger monster truck got it's start), sand and mud drags, and even promoting some autocrossing with and eye towards the remote possibility that there would be a road racing track (which was part of my involvement). This was somewhere around 1980 or maybe a few years later. The drag racing was every sunday with an additional street car night on Wednesday, and whatever other events going on on the Saturday.
He got help in upkeep from the local ATV racing people, autocrosers, etc. in volunteers, but one day the city came along and kicked him out basically because the police really wanted a training ground. I talked to some of the police afterwards about it and in all homesty they were rather arrogant about it all (I am a police supporter in general, so I don't say that lightly). They were sort of proud of ousting all of those "car freaks" so they could go there and shoot their guns, have persuit schools, woods type terrorist training, etc.
I don't know exactly when the drag strip opened up, but I think somewhere around 1970 or so. The deal was that the entire place was owned by the city of Virginia Beach and they would give track operators only a short term lease on the property. They basically could come along almost anytime and say "your lease is up". And they did do this at least a couple of times. This was the downfall of the place. Nobody would spend the long term money to do major improvements with the possibility of the city comming along and saying "You are out" and the next track promoter getting the benefits of the previous owner's investments.
The track was 1/8th mile and in all honesty the runoff room was a little short. It was run as a 1/4 mile track for a short period, but they had a few bad accidents because of the length of the track.
The last promoter tried to develop and entire motorsports park at the place. He included ATV racing, Mud Bog (FWIW that is where the Grave Digger monster truck got it's start), sand and mud drags, and even promoting some autocrossing with and eye towards the remote possibility that there would be a road racing track (which was part of my involvement). This was somewhere around 1980 or maybe a few years later. The drag racing was every sunday with an additional street car night on Wednesday, and whatever other events going on on the Saturday.
He got help in upkeep from the local ATV racing people, autocrosers, etc. in volunteers, but one day the city came along and kicked him out basically because the police really wanted a training ground. I talked to some of the police afterwards about it and in all homesty they were rather arrogant about it all (I am a police supporter in general, so I don't say that lightly). They were sort of proud of ousting all of those "car freaks" so they could go there and shoot their guns, have persuit schools, woods type terrorist training, etc.
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