View Poll Results: H-series or B-series?
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H-series or B-series??
03-04-2009, 04:24 PM
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Re: H-series or B-series??
I spent like an hour reading threads like this http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2168311 and learned more than this guy knows.
Search around and do your homework. Over my years in the honda world, I have learned there is lots of B-series knowledge out there, but not nearly as much H-series. Take a look at peoples charts and setups to see what is obtainable for what you want to do.
Search around and do your homework. Over my years in the honda world, I have learned there is lots of B-series knowledge out there, but not nearly as much H-series. Take a look at peoples charts and setups to see what is obtainable for what you want to do.
boost > all motor in the H series world. Especially the H22.
you still havent answered me what you define as basic upgrades.
03-04-2009, 04:41 PM
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Re: H-series or B-series??
LOL boost is better than n/a in terms of power in every world. However, money becomes a factor at some point. Like I said, I would rather build an H for n/a over a B. And boost a B over an H because of the aftermarket for the B. And any displacment that lacked in the B can be made up with more boost. Once you are building the two motors for boost, anything the H can offer you can obtian from a B (stroker kits, ect). There is a reason more people build and boost B motors over H motors. It's smarter in terms of availability and cost for one example. Weight and lubrication issues are another.
And basic mods for an n/a setup are a quality brand I/H/E, a good set of Cams, and someone that knows what they are doing with an EMS. Do the same mods to a b series and have a look at your hp/tq numbers.
03-04-2009, 06:59 PM
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It depends on your needs. For boost the H is not the best platform. All motor it can become a great motor but the aftermarket support for the B is worlds more than the H. But I still say a H series just because out of the box besides a b18c5 the H will pull so much better.
I know of 2 people in my cell phone that live in the same neighborhood, that have fully built and boosted H22's/H23's.... They have 350+ HP a piece, and are fucking beast. Very VERY reliable and i've never seen either one of their cars smoke, blow up, break down, shit...
its all in the build/tune. its not the motor.
03-04-2009, 07:05 PM
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230 with basic upgrades? define basic upgrades. because with bolt ons and a tune you wont ever see 200.
factory rods giving out? give me some links because i haven't read anything of the sort on any prelude forum.
the stock motor can handle boost fine, its all about the tuning. all motor a H is pretty useless unless you have alot of money to dump into it. after its all said and done, you could of had more hp for less with a turbo set up.
factory rods giving out? give me some links because i haven't read anything of the sort on any prelude forum.
the stock motor can handle boost fine, its all about the tuning. all motor a H is pretty useless unless you have alot of money to dump into it. after its all said and done, you could of had more hp for less with a turbo set up.
-LSD
-clutch
-flywheel
-axles
-Skunk2 IM
-Edlebrock TB
-hondata IM gasket
-TYPE S cams
-head was shaved .050
-port and polish with 5 angle valve job
-stock block, and head (minus the cams/port-N-polish/shave)
-AEM intake
-full exhaust
-with stock motor mounts
-FREAK ass tune (shad)
btw: this was close to 3-4 years ago.
I put down 219HP to the wheels in the middle of summer! dont tell me you cant get 200hp with bolt ons.
03-04-2009, 07:30 PM
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Fully built. Not stock. Plus never did I say it cant be done, but to have it reliable it should either be sleeved or try your luck with mahle. I know what built h22's can do for boost and I will never argue with you on that. But for stock I say a ls or b20 would be better for boost. I guess I should of worded it better. And as for all motor have you seen what king motorsports has done. Hell 98vtec on honda-tech has a h23 vtec with a stock head making like 219 whp. For just a bottom end with higher c/r pistons I wouldnt call that bad.So yes I am saying the H built right can make great all motor power. Its no K series but for the money it holds it own.
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03-04-2009, 07:44 PM
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03-04-2009, 07:51 PM
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Re: H-series or B-series??
Again, if you could make a H series rev like a K series, the power would be there. H series don't have the volumetric efficiency of the K series, but RPM goes a long way.. Limit a B- or K- to the same RPM range as a H-, and then compare the torque curves (and by association, HP). The difference probably won't be very much.
03-04-2009, 08:00 PM
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230 with basic upgrades? define basic upgrades. because with bolt ons and a tune you wont ever see 200.
factory rods giving out? give me some links because i haven't read anything of the sort on any prelude forum.
the stock motor can handle boost fine, its all about the tuning. all motor a H is pretty useless unless you have alot of money to dump into it. after its all said and done, you could of had more hp for less with a turbo set up.
factory rods giving out? give me some links because i haven't read anything of the sort on any prelude forum.
the stock motor can handle boost fine, its all about the tuning. all motor a H is pretty useless unless you have alot of money to dump into it. after its all said and done, you could of had more hp for less with a turbo set up.
So here's the rundown:
stock jdm h22a
skunk 68mm tb
rc 550 saturated injectors
3.5" custom cai
tuned on 93 pump gas w/ hondata s300
Dyno results: 216WHP 166WTQ
Not too bad for a throttle body injectors and a tune.
Would that fall under basic mods