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Old Dec 7, 2006 | 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ThroatyStang
I respect Transam/Camaros but they get the award for the biggest dash of the century, a man bigger than 6'2" has trouble fitting comfortably in one. I'm 6'7" and when I ride in one it is the worst experience, im so uncomfortable. I fit perfect in a Mustang.
Yeah... and a fucking mustang has the best shifter location ever... I mean when your seat is all the way back you can barely reach it... or try being 6'4" and trying to custom move the seat in your cobra back a few more inches only to find that you can't reach the damn shifter at all. How can you be 6'7" and comfortable in there?

Mustang = worst ergonomics ever

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Old Dec 7, 2006 | 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Cobra4B
Yeah... and a fucking mustang has the best shifter location ever... I mean when your seat is all the way back you can barely reach it... or try being 6'4" and trying to custom move the seat in your cobra back a few more inches only to find that you can't reach the damn shifter at all. How can you be 6'7" and comfortable in there?

Mustang = worst ergonomics ever
Maybe he has gorilla arms
Old Dec 7, 2006 | 08:25 AM
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Admin edit: I don't do infractions, but I don't do flaming like this either. Clean it up or take it elsewhere, mmk?

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Old Dec 7, 2006 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by taco
Maybe I should clairfy my position on the mighty lsx.

I like the lsx family of engines a whole lot. they are great engines, in fact they are probably my favorite engine being put into any current production car. However no new ground has been broken with the lsx.
As far as mass production engines they have broke plenty of new ground when compared to other production engines. Mass production means for more than 500 cars, not a specialty engine for just racing purposes.

There is nothing you can do with a lsx that you can't do with a ford engine or other chevy engines. They come from the factory with an aluminum 4 bolt block, high compression, and decent flowing heads that can be made alot better with porting. All really great stuff but nothing that is new and groundbreaking.
Sure there is, you can make more power in a smaller package, with less weight, more efficency, and not require a power adder to compensate for the lack of engineering. Plus it is obviuos you do not know much about LSX's, it is a six bolt main, that also uses much improved main caps with balanced loading across the crankshaft. Better and more durability than an SBC or pre mod motor.

For what it's worth there have been 3 factory ford modular mustang engines that have made more power than any version of the ls1 that ever graced a camarobird from the factory.
Factory rated at 330 crankshaft, but in reality some laid down 325+ at the rears, which is nearly 380 at the crankshaft.

There have also been faster passes made with ford windsor and modular engines than the fastest pass in an lsx. There are also other small block chevys that run faster than the fastes lsx.
True but, LSX's have had a quicker success rate at achieving faster timeslips when comapring year to year progression. Modular has a four year lead time, but not much of an advantage currently.

They are a great production street car engine and great for swaps into nearly anything but if you are intending on building a race engine for a race car there are better ways to go on both the ford and chevy side of things.
Yeah but none are as small, offer as much power and efficiency for the size, and the weight reduction. If I can save 80-120lbs of weight from the front of the car, it is going to be an aluminum block.

An aftermarket block ford windsor with bluethunder 4.3s or bennett racing canted valve heads or a dart block chevy with little chiefs will send any lsx engine that has ever existed running to it's mommy.
Completely false, as mentioned in this thread W2W block or even the all new LS7 engine, or even the C5R block for that matter will run toe to toe if you got the money.
Old Dec 7, 2006 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by BigBake
As far as mass production engines they have broke plenty of new ground when compared to other production engines. Mass production means for more than 500 cars, not a specialty engine for just racing purposes.



Sure there is, you can make more power in a smaller package, with less weight, more efficency, and not require a power adder to compensate for the lack of engineering. Plus it is obviuos you do not know much about LSX's, it is a six bolt main, that also uses much improved main caps with balanced loading across the crankshaft. Better and more durability than an SBC or pre mod motor.



Factory rated at 330 crankshaft, but in reality some laid down 325+ at the rears, which is nearly 380 at the crankshaft.



True but, LSX's have had a quicker success rate at achieving faster timeslips when comapring year to year progression. Modular has a four year lead time, but not much of an advantage currently.



Yeah but none are as small, offer as much power and efficiency for the size, and the weight reduction. If I can save 80-120lbs of weight from the front of the car, it is going to be an aluminum block.



Completely false, as mentioned in this thread W2W block or even the all new LS7 engine, or even the C5R block for that matter will run toe to toe if you got the money.


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Old Dec 7, 2006 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BigBake

Sure there is, you can make more power in a smaller package, with less weight, more efficency, and not require a power adder to compensate for the lack of engineering. Plus it is obviuos you do not know much about LSX's, it is a six bolt main, that also uses much improved main caps with balanced loading across the crankshaft. Better and more durability than an SBC or pre mod motor.

but none are as small, offer as much power and efficiency for the size, and the weight reduction. If I can save 80-120lbs of weight from the front of the car, it is going to be an aluminum block.



Completely false, as mentioned in this thread W2W block or even the all new LS7 engine, or even the C5R block for that matter will run toe to toe if you got the money.

I was never talking about the lsx as powering a grocery getter, the thread starter was looking at putting one in a single digit RACE CAR. The cold hard fact is that if you are building a RACE ENGINE the lsx isn't currently the best platform.

I can get an aluminum block ford windsor as well as an aluminum block standard sbc.

I'm not talking about the block I'm talking about availability of huge racing heads. I know there are aftermarket blocks available for the lsx. The majority of the power producing potential in an engine comes from the heads available and they just aren't there YET for the lsx.

The bluethunder 4.3s will flow 450+ cfm and the little chiefs will flow 470+. I haven't seen anything for the lsx that comes close.

The lsx will get to be just as fast as anything else, but right now in a race application it gets bested by both ford and other chevy small blocks.

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Originally Posted by taco
I was never talking about the lsx as powering a grocery getter, the thread starter was looking at putting one in a single digit RACE CAR.
Yet you were using factory Modular engines from the 03/04 Cobra, 00 Cobra R and the GT 500 for a comparison.

The cold hard fact is that if you are building a RACE ENGINE the lsx isn't currently the best platform.
Umm not sure if you know, alot of the race engines people use today in their F-Body's and Corvettes, etc are LSx based

I dont know about you but an engine that comes factory with 15* heads that has the ability in stock form to make 380 hp at the crank is a good start.
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Originally Posted by taco
I was never talking about the lsx as powering a grocery getter, the thread starter was looking at putting one in a single digit RACE CAR. The cold hard fact is that if you are building a RACE ENGINE the lsx isn't currently the best platform.

I can get an aluminum block ford windsor as well as an aluminum block standard sbc.

I'm not talking about the block I'm talking about availability of huge racing heads. I know there are aftermarket blocks available for the lsx. The majority of the power producing potential in an engine comes from the heads available and they just aren't there YET for the lsx.

The bluethunder 4.3s will flow 450+ cfm and the little chiefs will flow 470+. I haven't seen anything for the lsx that comes close.

The lsx will get to be just as fast as anything else, but right now in a race application it gets bested by both ford and other chevy small blocks.

So now you are comparing AFTERMARKET blocks to the LSx?? There are plenty of high flowing heads for the LSx platform RIGHT NOW. ETP, RHS, and ALL-PRO all have their own bad ass castings. Get your shit together before your next post.
Old Dec 7, 2006 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by taco
I was never talking about the lsx as powering a grocery getter, the thread starter was looking at putting one in a single digit RACE CAR. The cold hard fact is that if you are building a RACE ENGINE the lsx isn't currently the best platform.
But yet you referenced those turds earlier in this thread, remember 03 Cobra or did you forget already?

I can get an aluminum block ford windsor as well as an aluminum block standard sbc.
Great, but I will once again reference your original bullshit list.

I'm not talking about the block I'm talking about availability of huge racing heads. I know there are aftermarket blocks available for the lsx. The majority of the power producing potential in an engine comes from the heads available and they just aren't there YET for the lsx.
You know absolutely nothing about the heads on an LSX motor. I have a set of AFR's their smallest port the 205cc and yet they flow over 300cfm on their own without touching them, they can be ported to as high as 350cfm. They have a bigger brother known as the 225, they can go as high as 380 with they proper porting. But if money is no object by all means slap down the dollars for a set of C5R heads which can be ported (including port shape) to anything you want and you can choose the valve angle that you want, as long as you got the spread for the custom intake to be fabricated.

The lsx will get to be just as fast as anything else, but right now in a race application it gets bested by both ford and other chevy small blocks.
Where? In your dream world?... Comeback when you actually know something about the motor.
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This is great. I really wonder where he is getting his info?



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