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Old 04-23-2008, 06:54 PM
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http://gas2.org/2008/04/22/formula-1...rom-2009-2013/

i thought this was interesting.

everyone likes energy efficient systems =)
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Old 04-23-2008, 07:12 PM
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F1 > NASCAR.
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Originally Posted by Digital4N6
F1 > NASCAR.
That's the truth!! 2nd most watched sport after Fútbol in the world.


This will certainly be an interesting change. We'll see what it does for the sport.
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Default Re: F1 cars going hybrid

Originally Posted by Digital4N6
F1 > NASCAR.
uh, you can compare the two. F1 is considered as leader in technology along with the US Gov't and NASA.



he biggest difference between KERS and a regular battery-electric hybrid is that KERS stores recovered waste energy in a rotating flywhee
What is wasted energy from the flywheel? I can only think of when the clutch is disengaged, but F1 cars have automatic paddle shifting do they not?

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Default Re: F1 cars going hybrid

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uh, you can compare the two. F1 is considered as leader in technology along with the US Gov't and NASA.




What is wasted energy from the flywheel? I can only think of when the clutch is disengaged, but F1 cars have automatic paddle shifting do they not?
They do, they shift in less than 60ms. I think that it's catching lost kinetic energy, when you are braking maybe?
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Originally Posted by Silverbullet86
What is wasted energy from the flywheel? I can only think of when the clutch is disengaged, but F1 cars have automatic paddle shifting do they not?
It says it stores the wasted energy in a flywheel, keeping the energy kinetic. Not that the gets the energy from the flywheel.
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just out curousity. Why dont they have a system that works off of the wheels turning. The wheels turning would make plenty of static electricity. It would only need an inital charge then after that it would run on its own.
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Default Re: F1 cars going hybrid

Originally Posted by SpeedJunkie
It says it stores the wasted energy in a flywheel, keeping the energy kinetic. Not that the gets the energy from the flywheel.
Er, you can't "keep" KE unless you keep something is moving, but it can be converted into a different form of energy and be stored such as in this system. Another example would be your brakes. Your car converts the KE from the car into heat energy. In this hybrid system, I was curious of what the wasted energy was. Since there is barely any clutch disengaged time, I'm thinking maybe its on deceleration or braking.


Originally Posted by buugiewuugie
just out curousity. Why dont they have a system that works off of the wheels turning. The wheels turning would make plenty of static electricity. It would only need an inital charge then after that it would run on its own.
static electricity? You mean like make an electric generator from the wheels spinning? By adding a generator powered by the wheels, there will be resistance on the wheels, making the car require more energy to accelerate. Your taking energy away from the performance just to add it back on and end up exactly where you were before, possibly even less due to losses in the system, which there always are. But who knows, maybe the conversion works out to the car's advantage.

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Default Re: F1 cars going hybrid

Originally Posted by Silverbullet86
Er, you can't "keep" KE unless you keep something is moving, but it can be converted into a different form of energy and be stored such as in this system. Another example would be your brakes. Your car converts the KE from the car into heat energy. In this hybrid system, I was curious of what the wasted energy was. Since there is barely any clutch disengaged time, I'm thinking maybe its on deceleration or braking.
it doesn't say it gets the energy from the flywheel, it stores it in a new flywheel located inside the transmission

he biggest difference between KERS and a regular battery-electric hybrid is that KERS stores recovered waste energy in a rotating flywheel. Instead of converting waste energy into electricity and than back into useful energy again with an electric motor, KERS simply transfers the kinetic energy to a ~5kg flywheel in the F1 car’s transmission. The energy stored in the flywheel can then be used by the driver by pushing a “boost” button.
so it would always be collecting energy when the car is moving (i suppose) and would unleash that power stored in the new flywheel by pushing a "boost" button.
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