How can I tell the difference in b16s?
02-17-2006, 01:22 PM
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How can I tell the difference in b16s?
I'm looking into buying a car with a b16 sirII swap in it. How can I tell if it's an sirI or sirII or xsi? And if it is a sirII, how do I tell if its the usdm or jdm? Any help would be appreciated, thanks!!
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Re: How can I tell the difference in b16s?
There was no USDM SiR.. The only USDM B16s were in the VTEC del Sol and the 99-00 Civ Si. Neither of those had SiR variants.
*Edit: Sorry about my narrowmindedness, I always think of the 170HP JDM SiRII, they're the usually the ones that are advertised as B16 SiRII, the USDM are just A1, A2, etc.
*Edit: Sorry about my narrowmindedness, I always think of the 170HP JDM SiRII, they're the usually the ones that are advertised as B16 SiRII, the USDM are just A1, A2, etc.
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Re: How can I tell the difference in b16s?
SiR uses a cable tranny- 5th gens are hydraulic
SiR has a lower compression ratio, 10.2:1 and makes 160hp
A2/A3/SiR II have a higher compression ratio at 10.4:1 and make 160hp (A2/A3) or 170hp (SiR II)
A2/A3/SiR II motors have a better cam profile
A2/A3/SiR II have better oiling functions, keeping things better lubricated
SiR has cast aluminum oil spray bars while the A2/A3/SiR II are made of extruded aluminum.
A2/A3/SiR II have a single- 4-wire O2 sensor instead of 2-single wire O2 sensors
A2/A3/SiR II MAP sensor is an integral part of the throttle body, not an external one with a tube.
A2/A3/SiR II harnesses are grey. SiR has cream colored ones.
SiR is PGM-F1, clearly labeled on the intake manifold, andA2/A3/SiR II are MPFI
SiR valve covers have "DOHC" written in a larger font size than "VTEC"
A2/A3/SiR II valve covers have "VTEC" written in a larger font size than "DOHC"
Additional Information
88-91 B16A's are known as the SIR 1. It uses OBD0 Ecu's, and cable tranny's. The engine serial number is usually 1xxxxxx.
92+ B16A's are known as the SIR 2. It uses OBD1 or OBD2(2b), and hydraulic trannys. The engine serial number is usually 5xxxxxx
The #'s at the end of the block code tell where the engine originated from. The Americas, Europe, Austraillia, etc.....
ALL Japanese engines, generally do NOT have a number after them.
SO, if you have a B16A1,2,3,4, or 5. It is usually NOT a true JDM engine. Don't mistake a B16A1 as being a cable unit, because it could be a hydraulic.
SiR has a lower compression ratio, 10.2:1 and makes 160hp
A2/A3/SiR II have a higher compression ratio at 10.4:1 and make 160hp (A2/A3) or 170hp (SiR II)
A2/A3/SiR II motors have a better cam profile
A2/A3/SiR II have better oiling functions, keeping things better lubricated
SiR has cast aluminum oil spray bars while the A2/A3/SiR II are made of extruded aluminum.
A2/A3/SiR II have a single- 4-wire O2 sensor instead of 2-single wire O2 sensors
A2/A3/SiR II MAP sensor is an integral part of the throttle body, not an external one with a tube.
A2/A3/SiR II harnesses are grey. SiR has cream colored ones.
SiR is PGM-F1, clearly labeled on the intake manifold, andA2/A3/SiR II are MPFI
SiR valve covers have "DOHC" written in a larger font size than "VTEC"
A2/A3/SiR II valve covers have "VTEC" written in a larger font size than "DOHC"
Additional Information
88-91 B16A's are known as the SIR 1. It uses OBD0 Ecu's, and cable tranny's. The engine serial number is usually 1xxxxxx.
92+ B16A's are known as the SIR 2. It uses OBD1 or OBD2(2b), and hydraulic trannys. The engine serial number is usually 5xxxxxx
The #'s at the end of the block code tell where the engine originated from. The Americas, Europe, Austraillia, etc.....
ALL Japanese engines, generally do NOT have a number after them.
SO, if you have a B16A1,2,3,4, or 5. It is usually NOT a true JDM engine. Don't mistake a B16A1 as being a cable unit, because it could be a hydraulic.
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Re: How can I tell the difference in b16s?
fabrik8: Sorry, I was also going by what hmo has on their site. It says at the bottom of the motor mall 1st page "SirII JDM-170hp USDM-160Hp."
Dryhopsux13: Well the guy has it advertised as having a JDM b16 SirII swap with cable transmission. So this is unlikely right? This motor is in an EF (if that helps any at all).
Dryhopsux13: Well the guy has it advertised as having a JDM b16 SirII swap with cable transmission. So this is unlikely right? This motor is in an EF (if that helps any at all).
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Re: How can I tell the difference in b16s?
sirII with cable tranny???......ummm no.. tell him to GTFO.
Unlesssssss.....he has a hasport hydro/cable conversion + cable speedo/electronic speedo
Unlesssssss.....he has a hasport hydro/cable conversion + cable speedo/electronic speedo
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Re: How can I tell the difference in b16s?
Originally Posted by DryHopSux13
sirII with cable tranny???......ummm no.. tell him to GTFO.
Unlesssssss.....he has a hasport hydro/cable conversion + cable speedo/electronic speedo
Unlesssssss.....he has a hasport hydro/cable conversion + cable speedo/electronic speedo
unless..he just put a cable tranny up to the block instead of converting or having to get other mounts.
02-17-2006, 04:43 PM
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Re: How can I tell the difference in b16s?
Originally Posted by DryHopSux13
SiR uses a cable tranny- 5th gens are hydraulic
SiR has a lower compression ratio, 10.2:1 and makes 160hp
A2/A3/SiR II have a higher compression ratio at 10.4:1 and make 160hp (A2/A3) or 170hp (SiR II)
A2/A3/SiR II motors have a better cam profile
A2/A3/SiR II have better oiling functions, keeping things better lubricated
SiR has cast aluminum oil spray bars while the A2/A3/SiR II are made of extruded aluminum.
A2/A3/SiR II have a single- 4-wire O2 sensor instead of 2-single wire O2 sensors
A2/A3/SiR II MAP sensor is an integral part of the throttle body, not an external one with a tube.
A2/A3/SiR II harnesses are grey. SiR has cream colored ones.
SiR is PGM-F1, clearly labeled on the intake manifold, andA2/A3/SiR II are MPFI
SiR valve covers have "DOHC" written in a larger font size than "VTEC"
A2/A3/SiR II valve covers have "VTEC" written in a larger font size than "DOHC"
Additional Information
88-91 B16A's are known as the SIR 1. It uses OBD0 Ecu's, and cable tranny's. The engine serial number is usually 1xxxxxx.
92+ B16A's are known as the SIR 2. It uses OBD1 or OBD2(2b), and hydraulic trannys. The engine serial number is usually 5xxxxxx
The #'s at the end of the block code tell where the engine originated from. The Americas, Europe, Austraillia, etc.....
ALL Japanese engines, generally do NOT have a number after them.
SO, if you have a B16A1,2,3,4, or 5. It is usually NOT a true JDM engine. Don't mistake a B16A1 as being a cable unit, because it could be a hydraulic.
SiR has a lower compression ratio, 10.2:1 and makes 160hp
A2/A3/SiR II have a higher compression ratio at 10.4:1 and make 160hp (A2/A3) or 170hp (SiR II)
A2/A3/SiR II motors have a better cam profile
A2/A3/SiR II have better oiling functions, keeping things better lubricated
SiR has cast aluminum oil spray bars while the A2/A3/SiR II are made of extruded aluminum.
A2/A3/SiR II have a single- 4-wire O2 sensor instead of 2-single wire O2 sensors
A2/A3/SiR II MAP sensor is an integral part of the throttle body, not an external one with a tube.
A2/A3/SiR II harnesses are grey. SiR has cream colored ones.
SiR is PGM-F1, clearly labeled on the intake manifold, andA2/A3/SiR II are MPFI
SiR valve covers have "DOHC" written in a larger font size than "VTEC"
A2/A3/SiR II valve covers have "VTEC" written in a larger font size than "DOHC"
Additional Information
88-91 B16A's are known as the SIR 1. It uses OBD0 Ecu's, and cable tranny's. The engine serial number is usually 1xxxxxx.
92+ B16A's are known as the SIR 2. It uses OBD1 or OBD2(2b), and hydraulic trannys. The engine serial number is usually 5xxxxxx
The #'s at the end of the block code tell where the engine originated from. The Americas, Europe, Austraillia, etc.....
ALL Japanese engines, generally do NOT have a number after them.
SO, if you have a B16A1,2,3,4, or 5. It is usually NOT a true JDM engine. Don't mistake a B16A1 as being a cable unit, because it could be a hydraulic.
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Re: How can I tell the difference in b16s?
Originally Posted by dorko-t
im going with this guy ^^^
you can put any cable tranny on a SIRII if you wanted to, so you can keep it cable
you can put any cable tranny on a SIRII if you wanted to, so you can keep it cable
That's why I love honda's!!! Any Tranny of the Same Family series will work!!!! Them Japanese people sure do know how to make a good car
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Re: How can I tell the difference in b16s?
alright...dont be a dumb ass....thats the first step to accomplishing your goal. once you've done that....buy a good quality shell(you can get one for 500 if you look in the right place, be picky when it comes to buying the shell, make sure that the wire harness hasn't been cut, b/c thats a bitch to redo). Then buy a swap...and your set! thats just how I would do it, that way you have an engine from japan that is fresh(usually 40-60K) and you will take alot more pride in that car.
