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Old Jan 14, 2003 | 10:42 AM
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Lightbulb unfair advantage or smart racing?

SCCA rules state a two driver car must be at least 5 cars apart in the smae heat. If a car gets a rerun at the end of a heat, etc. the driver must wait 5 minutes for tires to cool. BCC uses SCCA rules. If the MR2 wants to have two drivers and be numbers 68 and 73 (5 cars apart), they can. Yes the tires are warmer for the second driver but based on the results I was seeing the tire warmer was getting better times than 90% of the racers.

If you think this is an unfair advantage. Call the SEB or get your own tire warmer. In the case of the MR2 refer to the following link. I think these results speak for themselves and tires don't have the advantage being complained about in here.

http://scca.org/amateur/solo2/natio...results/cs.html

I think it is more of an honor to have national champions come out and show us how a car should be driven and give us advice on how to improve our performance, than to snipe them about their results. Its not the first case or the 50th, Miatas, mustangs, corvettes, Hondas, Cobras, and BMWs have been doing this for years and now its an issue?

Have fun driving and think about improving yourself and the times will fall and every race will be enjoyable.

Rob

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Yes this is posted twice. Replyed to the wrong thread.
Old Jan 14, 2003 | 11:58 AM
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Default Re: unfair advantage or smart racing?

Originally posted by trader0231
SCCA rules state a two driver car must be at least 5 cars apart in the smae heat. If a car gets a rerun at the end of a heat, etc. the driver must wait 5 minutes for tires to cool. BCC uses SCCA rules. If the MR2 wants to have two drivers and be numbers 68 and 73 (5 cars apart), they can. Yes the tires are warmer for the second driver but based on the results I was seeing the tire warmer was getting better times than 90% of the racers.
where is this in the 2002 SCCA solo book? and, you mean the tire warmer driver got the best times on just the first run? because, both drivers act as tire warmers once the second driver runs.
Originally posted by trader0231

If you think this is an unfair advantage. Call the SEB or get your own tire warmer. In the case of the MR2 refer to the following link. I think these results speak for themselves and tires don't have the advantage being complained about in here.
as i previously stated in the original post above, i'm not complaining, i'm seeing what ppl think.
link doesn't work.
Originally posted by trader0231

I think it is more of an honor to have national champions come out and show us how a car should be driven and give us advice on how to improve our performance, than to snipe them about their results. Its not the first case or the 50th, Miatas, mustangs, corvettes, Hondas, Cobras, and BMWs have been doing this for years and now its an issue?
first, some of us would like to see how well we compete w/ the champions, not how well we compete w/ champions that have an advantage. and even though they have been doing it for years, doesn't mean we've been around autoxing for years.
Originally posted by trader0231

Have fun driving and think about improving yourself and the times will fall and every race will be enjoyable.
i believe everyone ahead of me were national drivers. i'm working on it.
Old Jan 15, 2003 | 06:30 PM
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A couple of things.

TSCC is not SCCA, they just use SCCA "like" classes.

SCCA has no guidelines about how any local events are run with respect to running order. There are rules that pretain to the National Tour and Championship events, but nothing else.

TSCC has their own set of rules (probbly nobody around now has a copy of them, but I helped write and re-write them) that say specifically that two driver cars have to register in different heats. The problem I always run into is that with 3 drivers sometimes in my car we wind up in different heats that get combined into the same heat. I personally think it is a dis-advantage in mental concentration more than it is USUALLY an advantage in tire warming.
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