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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 05:50 PM
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Mine is spaced. I used shims and longer bolts . To be effective you need to remove the rubber weather stripping that seals the hood too.
Old Sep 24, 2008 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ZipTiedCoupe
There is a thread on Zilvia somewhere about this. IT WAS PROVEN TO HAVE LITTLE TO NO EFFECT ON COOLING.
Blasphemy. Backyard aero mods always work better than stock. My backyard wind tunnel told me so. I mean, it looks different so it must work, right?
Old Sep 24, 2008 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 99CIVICFTW
Mine is spaced. I used shims and longer bolts . To be effective you need to remove the rubber weather stripping that seals the hood too.
And you're measuring the effectiveness of this....how?
Old Sep 24, 2008 | 06:05 PM
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And you're measuring the effectiveness of this....how?
On looks.







Yeah, I know. It even looks like shit.
Old Sep 24, 2008 | 06:10 PM
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And you're measuring the effectiveness of this....how?

its common sense. air goes under front area of hood and travles out rear area of hood taking the rising hot air out with it. if the weather stripping is left in place then it will block air trying to pass.
Old Sep 24, 2008 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 99CIVICFTW
its common sense. air goes under front area of hood and travles out rear area of hood taking the rising hot air out with it. if the weather stripping is left in place then it will block air trying to pass.
I..uh..nevermind. You haven't been paying attention. So you've justified it in your head, so it must work exactly like you imagine it, right?

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Old Sep 24, 2008 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Fabrik8
Just to add to what Brian said, if you make a big change in slope, like a cowl or at the end of a car, you'll get a big eddy there usually and a lot of turbulence. Holes for cooling don't necessarily need to be farther forward, they just need to be fairly flat with the surrounding bodywork. You want that air coming out to merge with the air going over the hood, not to have the air make a turbulent pocket where it comes out.

Cowl hoods, like most things that deal with aerodynamics, are speed dependent, same with ram air hoods. The other reason for cowl hoods is that carburated engines could pick up a bit of power with a high rise intake manifold so they usually couldn't fit under a stock hood, and a cowl hood is much better for drag than a scoop or something like that.

Hoods with (flat) cooling cutouts in them work like a venturi, and very differently than a cowl. In this case you're using the pressure of the air flowing over the hood to help draw air out of the vents.

Raising the back edge of the hood to help cooling may work at some speeds (probably low speeds), and not at others. Most speeds aren't going to give good results though, because the recessed area where the windshield wipers are is specifically designed to create a dead spot so the wipers don't create much drag. If you raise the hood up, this area will get deeper and much more prone to forming a turbulent pocket right there. This is probably fine at low speeds because there isn't enough air flow (velocity) to create a problem, and for stuff like drift cars that don't go very fast, any extra cooling at low speeds is a bonus. Usually the more power you put out, the faster you go, so you get an increase in cooling, instead of just putting all that power into going much slower than you normally would (by wasting it all as wheelspin).
There are better ways to do that though, but arguably not as cheap or easy as putting some spacers on the hinges. I'm not even going to comment on that hood mod and it's rice-ness by the way. Or maybe I just did.

I guess what I'm saying (and I'm going to speak for Brian too) is that if you don't have cooling problems, don't make any cooling modifications. You can't just do something and expect it to work better without knowing how or why. Also, if you want to angle the radiator forward, you might as well get a bigger radiator while you're at it, so at least you're still using the available frontal area for cooling.
Originally Posted by 99CIVICFTW
its common sense. air goes under front area of hood and travles out rear area of hood taking the rising hot air out with it. if the weather stripping is left in place then it will block air trying to pass.
I think you missed this post
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Originally Posted by 99CIVICFTW
its common sense. air goes under front area of hood and travles out rear area of hood taking the rising hot air out with it. if the weather stripping is left in place then it will block air trying to pass.
Let me ask you this. Have you ever sat in the bed of a pick-up truck with your back against the cab? Which way was the wind blowing? Think about that for a minute.
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Originally Posted by blah
Let me ask you this. Have you ever sat in the bed of a pick-up truck with your back against the cab? Which way was the wind blowing? Think about that for a minute.
Better still, why do the vertical surfaces on the back of your car get wet when it rains even though you're going forward?
Old Sep 24, 2008 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Fabrik8
I..uh..nevermind. You haven't been paying attention.
What did I miss? I've been paying attention just fine. i obviously understand how air flows.



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