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Old Jul 24, 2008 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by duder
http://www.roanoke.com/news/nrv/wb/123284

Year Motorcyclists killed Motorcycle crashes Registered motorcycles
1999 38 1,320 72,120
2000 45 1,525 50,190
2001 44 1,743 89,654
2002 54 1,648 100,230
2003 56 1,713 109,288
2004 56 2,000 123,548
2005 68 2,289 136,978
2006 70 2,499 151,914

In 2007 there were 126 motorcycle fatalities but I could not find out how many registered motorcycles there were on the roads in VA. If you know how many please post the number so I can figure out the statistics.

Now let's do a little math.

In 1999 you had a .052% chance of dying and a 1.83% chance of crashing on a motorcycle in VA.

In 2006 you had a .046% chance of dying and a 1.65% chance of crashing on a motorcycle in VA.


Assuming (And this is obviously not the case) that there are still only 151,914 registered bikes in VA that would mean that still .08% of motorcyclists died in VA while riding.

Simply put motorcycle deaths are reflective of less than 1% of all who ride motorcycles and that percentage is even lower if you remove motorcycle fatalities that resulted from a car failing to yield the right of way.

Another interesting fact: In 2006 you had a .85% chance of having your house burgluarized if you lived in Newport News with an estimated population of 186,000. In fact you are more than 10 times more likely to be burglarized than die on a motorcycle so next time you're sitting in your house watching TV just know that you would be safer on a motorcycle.

2006 Crime stats

http://www.nngov.com/police/chiefoff...ime-statistics

2006 estimated NN population

http://www.newportnewsva.com/about_u...cs/demopop.htm
Not trying to argue with you... however there is a flaw in your stats. You make the assumption that a registered motorcycle means a rider... It does not, I am sure more than a few have more than one motorcycle. Not to mention the people that have bikes just sitting in garages that never get ridden but are registered.
Old Jul 24, 2008 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by SpeedJunkie
Not trying to argue with you... however there is a flaw in your stats. You make the assumption that a registered motorcycle means a rider... It does not, I am sure more than a few have more than one motorcycle. Not to mention the people that have bikes just sitting in garages that never get ridden but are registered.
It is a good approximation. I don't think there are as many motorcycles sitting in garages that never get ridden. Most people don't like to spend money for nothing.

Let's take the number of registrations and divide it by 3. That means about 50,000 people are riding and all of them own 3 bikes each. You still only have a .25% chance of being killed on a motorcycle in Va.
Old Jul 24, 2008 | 08:10 AM
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Old Jul 24, 2008 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by JDM74
It is a good approximation. I don't think there are as many motorcycles sitting in garages that never get ridden. Most people don't like to spend money for nothing.

You're right... No one collects cars or motorcycles that only get driven once or twice a year at most...

No one goes through mid-life crisis and buys a Harley with intentions of learning to ride, do the MSF course, and let it sit in a garage for 3-4 years before they realize they won't ride it and sell it.


My point was that his information was not accurate, period. There are too many variables in the equation for it to mean jack shit.

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Old Jul 24, 2008 | 08:24 AM
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Actually a big portion of the people dying on motorcycles in the 757 ARE in fact military. The military actually did a study to see how they can lower the risk of military riders. They found that 90% of all the fatalities were e-5 and below and either just returning from a deployment to iraq or reenlisting for the first time and are buying big sportbikes as there first bike simply because they could afford it with there bonus. So now ALL military have to take the MSF course every 3years and all SPORTBIKE riders have to take a sportbike specific saftey course designed for the military by the MSF.
Old Jul 24, 2008 | 08:31 AM
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^^^^ what he said.... i myself have to take that sporbike course here soon before the deadline... im putting it off hoping they realize they need to take it to the track...
Old Jul 24, 2008 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Robs750
Actually a big portion of the people dying on motorcycles in the 757 ARE in fact military. The military actually did a study to see how they can lower the risk of military riders. They found that 90% of all the fatalities were e-5 and below and either just returning from a deployment to iraq or reenlisting for the first time and are buying big sportbikes as there first bike simply because they could afford it with there bonus. So now ALL military have to take the MSF course every 3years and all SPORTBIKE riders have to take a sportbike specific saftey course designed for the military by the MSF.
That's awsome! lol I know this point his been brought up before, but I wish it was like this for all people getting their M designation. The only problem with this would be that you would have more riders that don't have their license or even a permit riding motorcycles because of the increased cost and time needed to get the M designation, but if the MSF and other related courses were as available and as affordable as the "Behind the Wheel" then I bet many more people would be willing and interested in doing it. Kinda wish they would make track time a requirement as well How awsome would that be? lol
Old Jul 24, 2008 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by SpeedJunkie
Not trying to argue with you... however there is a flaw in your stats. You make the assumption that a registered motorcycle means a rider... It does not, I am sure more than a few have more than one motorcycle. Not to mention the people that have bikes just sitting in garages that never get ridden but are registered.
It goes both ways however. There are people who ride motorcycles and crash or die that are not registered in VA or at all. Granted it might be a smaller preportion of non registered riders than registered riders who do not ride. Another thing I have not taken into consideration is the number of people who crash and simply don't report it because they only have liability coverage and it happened in the middle of no where (I am one of those statistics). Regardless of the margin of error my general point is that the chances of dying on a motorcycle in VA are not as alarming as people are making it seem.
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Originally Posted by duder
It goes both ways however. There are people who ride motorcycles and crash or die that are not registered in VA or at all. Granted it might be a smaller preportion of non registered riders than registered riders who do not ride. Another thing I have not taken into consideration is the number of people who crash and simply don't report it because they only have liability coverage and it happened in the middle of no where (I am one of those statistics). Regardless of the margin of error my general point is that the chances of dying on a motorcycle in VA are not as alarming as people are making it seem.
That is why I said I didn't want to argue with you, I don't think it is as bad either. I just didn't want people going around trying to spew off facts that were based off very limited data.
Old Jul 24, 2008 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by SpeedJunkie
You're right... No one collects cars or motorcycles that only get driven once or twice a year at most...

No one goes through mid-life crisis and buys a Harley with intentions of learning to ride, do the MSF course, and let it sit in a garage for 3-4 years before they realize they won't ride it and sell it.


My point was that his information was not accurate, period. There are too many variables in the equation for it to mean jack shit.
Prove that his numbers are not accurate. The only way to do that would be to figure out how many people ride their bikes on a regular basis. Got a way to figure that out? Poll? I don't think the number of motorcycle collectors is significant enough to change the percentage an appreciable amount.

If you didn't want to argue, you shouldn't have made the comment.



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