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Old Apr 4, 2007 | 09:50 AM
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Default Re: Can someone explain what trail breaking is?

Originally Posted by Not Stock
Here is a guy trail braking on a kart. Perfect example of how an advanced driver can use trail braking in a turn and use it to turn the car efficiently. Link
The vid really made me smile....and wish go-karting was cheaper
Old Apr 4, 2007 | 09:54 AM
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Default Re: Can someone explain what trail breaking is?

I trail brake on every turn that requires me slow down before it. It happens naturally at first since your unsure on your entry speed, then when you get comfortable with it, you use it to rotate the car.

On the other turns I use the throttle to induce some rear steer.
Old Apr 4, 2007 | 10:46 AM
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Default Re: Can someone explain what trail breaking is?

Originally Posted by cafcwest
The vid really made me smile....and wish go-karting was cheaper
quite motherfucking true! that was a pretty nasty turn


trail braking explained by modified mag official formula drift d

"Breaking Drift (Trail Braking) Primarily used for medium to lower speed turns, this is a more advanced method of inducing drift where the driver purposely comes into the turn hotter than normal, trail braking to shift the cars weight to the outermost-front tir. The weight shifting combined with the vehicles entry speed will initiate the loss of traction to the rear wheels. As the rear wheels break traction, the driver counter steers into the turn to control a cars momentum."

These other drift techniques are explained "Feint" "power oversteer" "side brake(e-brake)" "Clutch Kick" "Shift Lock" and "Kansei(Con'-say)(momentum Drift)
Old Apr 4, 2007 | 10:48 AM
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Default Re: Can someone explain what trail breaking is?

Originally Posted by Floda$E-R
He was asking what was trail braking, he never mentioned trying it in a "heavy" mustang gt. I just didnt want him thinking it was one thing when it was something different.

Trail braking is your friend as long as you use it appropriately. Ask DRFTwizard what turns he trail brakes and he'll probably say Start to Finish. E30s slide like a sumbitch on corner entry.
Ya Not Stock is correct in saying i drive a heavy ass Mustang GT, a pre-PI motor GT which means its slow in a straight line too!, It is only lightly modded with O/R X, some H&R supersports, MGW short shifter, and soon some adjustable shocks/struts and full length sub frame. I'm stopping modding there for now because im pretty sure theres no way i can out drive the car as it sits now let alone after i add the adjustable shocks/struts and stiffen up the chasis a little bit. I'm actually gonna beg to go to a driving school for my B-Day present in June. Driving Education is the best mod after all.

Originally Posted by DoingOK
I use trail braking quite a bit. Now heel and toe shifting still kicks my ass a bit. I have to put my new gas pedal on to help close the gap a bit and keep practicing.

Either my feet are the wrong size or its impossiable to heal toe effectively on a 96 GT
Old Apr 4, 2007 | 11:56 AM
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Default Re: Can someone explain what trail breaking is?

Originally Posted by QwanSanchez
I'm actually gonna beg to go to a driving school for my B-Day present in June.
If you can afford it, check out Car Guys for $495 they run the full VIR course for two days with an in-car instructor August 4-5th. I've been to three of their "high performance driver education" events (translation: not timed so it's covered by most insurance policies, just in case). My first event was in the rain, which I preferred because I could see the tire lines of people ahead of me.
Old Apr 5, 2007 | 08:17 AM
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Default Re: Can someone explain what trail breaking is?

Originally Posted by 240sxftw

trail braking explained by modified mag official formula drift d

"Breaking Drift (Trail Braking) Primarily used for medium to lower speed turns, this is a more advanced method of inducing drift where the driver purposely comes into the turn hotter than normal, trail braking to shift the cars weight to the outermost-front tir. The weight shifting combined with the vehicles entry speed will initiate the loss of traction to the rear wheels. As the rear wheels break traction, the driver counter steers into the turn to control a cars momentum."
Not the same as trailbraking for grip. Especially that "counter steers into the turn" part. You only trailbrake enough to get the car rotated so you can get back on the gas sooner. Too much = drifting = slow.

I usually only do it in 4 at VIR, but sometimes also in 1, 3, and/or 14 depending upon how much my car is understeering that day.

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Old Apr 5, 2007 | 09:44 AM
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^ It's easy to do in 3 w/ the crown in the turn.
Old Apr 5, 2007 | 11:29 AM
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Default Re: Can someone explain what trail breaking is?

Originally Posted by getfast
I usually only do it in 4 at VIR, but sometimes also in 1, 3, and/or 14 depending upon how much my car is understeering that day.

Jon
I do it in all of those corners.

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Old Apr 5, 2007 | 11:26 PM
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Default Re: Can someone explain what trail breaking is?

Originally Posted by Floda$E-R
With a car as fast as yours in a slow run group such as 1 or even 2 you probably rarely see open track going into T1 or rollercoaster which are great spots to practice heel/toe. I cant heel/toe to save my life on many street cars, but on the track when I can threshold brake I have zero problems. Just a comfort level you gotta reach....much like trail braking.
It all depends on how the car feels and the track for sure. Some times on entry the car will rotate fine, sometimes it needs a little help from the rear brakes. i.e. braking later through turn in. I trail brake sometimes at oak tree if the front tires won't bite but normally I can rotate the car with the rear end (Hit the gas). I also do it at 4 occasionally.

Also turns 3 and 4 are good turns to take advantage of the inside rumble strip. It will help the car transfer weight to the wheels with the most grip and rotate.

Good I mean great example:

Last edited by DRFTwizard; Apr 5, 2007 at 11:32 PM.
Old Apr 6, 2007 | 04:37 AM
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Default Re: Can someone explain what trail breaking is?

^ That's a great pic



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