well like I said I have had over 15 years on a motorcycle and over 3 and a half on the street. I know I can learn something new all the time but as far as avoiding accidents.... I would be dead if I hadn't been riding so much.

Just yesterday it was pouring rain and I had to go home from work and it didn't look like it was going to stop sooo. I just put my jacket on and went. As soon as I am leaving work a stupid kid got in the left turn lane and there were two lanes. He took the outside so I went on the inside. He decided to cut the turn and cam over basically right on top of me. I ended up keeping control and hitting the horn at the same time and slowed down enough to get behind him before he came all the way over. When I went to pass him after all the HE flicked ME off?????!!!!!!! WTF is wrong with people?

 

Well that's prob why I didn't learn a thing and I aced every exercise. It's all common sense and basic functions of riding. Seriously the MSF course is a very very BASIC set of exercises, with a slow speed figure 8 in a box being the hardest thing to do. IMO, anyone who has been riding for 1-2 years has already developed the skills taught in the class. And by riding, I don't mean jumping on your bike and riding the strip or right on the interstate and back off again. I mean actually riding.

And progressive only knocked off 5 bucks a month for me with full coverage so the $135 on the course won't pay for itself for over 2 years.

Everyone hypes this course up like it's going to teach you something but really all it does it determine if you have any idea what you are doing on a motorcycle. Can I stop without skidding @15mph? Can I weave through these cones? Can I shift and downshift? Can I stop suddenly in a turn at 10mph? Keep it real and tell it how it is. It's to teach new riders basic functions of a motorcycle and riding a motorcycle, and to weed out the retards who don't belong on one in the first place.

PS- all of this on a pathetic little 250cc traditional bike that no one is going to actually use on the street anyway. All these simple ass tests on a super easy bike and then they go jump on 600cc+ sport bikes for their first bike. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me but whatever.


All of this is IMHO

 

What you are failing to realize and maybe chalk it up to your arrogance or ignorance, maybe both, but not everyone will have the same experience with the BRC. Some people may have a tough time with the course, some can learn something, others will learn nothing and it won't be a challenge. Not everyone is the same.

On the flip side of things, it is learning how to handle a bike at low speeds in a parking lot and because you pass it doesn't make you the best rider. It makes you a more aware rider. Many new riders do not understand some of the basic concepts, slow look lean roll, choosing the ride line, correct method of braking, TCLOCS, etc. That is why there are other courses in addition to that, not only sponsored by the MSF, but other organizations that actually teach you this on your own bike. Some are at a faster pace as well. However, the fact is a huge majority of new riders including those that never rode street before really don't have a good set of riding skills. Then again, you shouldn't have a 600cc Super Sport bike as your first bike any ways.

I have been riding motorcycles whether it be a dirt bikes or a street bike since the late 80's(1987 or 88 if I recall for a dirt bike and started on sport bikes in 1996) and I can learn something. Ignorance and being cocky will get you killed.

That is all I will say on that. If you disagree, I don't care. It is your opinion.

 

It is def a nice thing to do with a buddy...I had a buddy with me...but then he made fun of me lol...anywho it was worth it and alot easier to do then the straight DMV test

Kell

 

Don't confuse arrogance with confidence. That is the reason I have avoided the bad situations I have. Confidence coupled with common sense and good judgment is what makes a good rider. That doesn't make me arrogant. And thank you for basically agreeing with what I said. That is the MSF course we are talking about, the basic one, is good for little to no experience riders. If you havn't learned the concepts and basic common sense scenarios taught in the course after 1-2 years of riding then if you havn't killed yourself yet, you don't belong on a bike anyways. Let me guess, I am young and have been riding for about 3 years and didn't learn anything from the basic MSF course so I must be a cocky arrogant kid that doesn't get the big picture? If thats what you are getting at, then you are the one who needs to move away from ignorance. You are preeching to the choir.

That's great that you have been riding that long, I'm sure you are a great rider. But that course won't teach you anything more than a year or so of real riding and what the DMV manual teaches you when getting a learners permit and you know it. The people that will do better than others are the ones that have been riding for a while. Plain and simple. That's the only difference when it comes to that course.

 

From what I have heard from all of my friends who who know me and my riding experience and HAVE taken the course I won't learn anything. I have thought about the one that is for experienced riders though. Who knows. I'll prolly never have the money that I won't care to blow on learning nothing but we will see.

Thanks to everyone for the comments though. I didn't want this to be a discussion about the MSF course though.

A course will never teach you to be a "safe" driver though. Thats all in experience and maturity.

 

Thread jacking is just a past time of mine Brandon. My b.

 

hey man, nice bike... looks good, keep the rubber down

 

Haha it's all good Ryan. This is Ryan Johnson right? I'm assuming you got another bike? Lemme know. I tried to go riding with Jimmy last Sunday but he never called me back after he got off work. I probably will make another trip there after I forget how painful it was this time haha! I had a lot of fun but the trip was misery!

 

Yeah bro it's me. The name changes were going crazy before they made the switch lol. I picked up an 03 R6 a few months ago and I'm loving having fuel injection finally. The suspension was a little tricky to get it where I liked it too but I've been loving it since. I hear ya on the trip I know it's a pain. I want to ride up your way sometime soon anyway so we can put something together in the mountians. I'm going to install a little aux port on the bike so I can run radar and gps soon before I make the trip.