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Royalty 09-20-2006 09:01 PM

WHy was the HEMI banned from NASCAR in the 50's
 
I would like to write a paper on the HEMI but Im having trouble gathering all of my data.
I used allpar.com and found its origins and The Petty fmaily and all that.

But I cant seem to find a clear expliantion as to Why it was banned.

DOes anyone know?

If you have an answer can you PLEASE do me a favor and attach a link so I can site the source. PLEASE!!!!:D

NX2KDET 09-20-2006 09:27 PM

Re: WHy was the HEMI banned from NASCAR in the 50's
 
I found this maybe its somewhat useful

"Had NASCAR’s head of operations, Bill France, not banned the hemi from racing in 1965, the elephant engine would have run roughshod over the other players. NASCAR banned the hemi on the grounds that it wasn’t a mass production car available to the public."

oduhockey9 09-20-2006 09:47 PM

Re: WHy was the HEMI banned from NASCAR in the 50's
 
Yeah, thats the same reasoning behind the Superbirds. They made 2500 a year so Richard Petty could drive it on raceday. The theory of Nascar then was to be concidered a "stock car" then there had to be a minimum production number of the vehicle(as set by nascar), and the motor they planned to use had to have a form of it offered to the public. That is my understanding of it.

Royalty 09-20-2006 10:01 PM

Re: WHy was the HEMI banned from NASCAR in the 50's
 
that sound salot liek what i heard too. I just need it in print some where

joshuaa3 09-20-2006 11:23 PM

Re: WHy was the HEMI banned from NASCAR in the 50's
 
"During that highly competitive era, NASCAR strictly enforced what was known as the homologation rule, mandating that manufacturers produce at least 500 cars for sale to the public of any vehicle designed for racing. In 1969, just over 500 Dodge Daytonas were delivered to local dealerships for consumers seeking NASCAR-style speed and power. 1969 was the only year that the Daytona was sold to the public, and in the early '70's, NASCAR outlawed winged cars from racing altogether because of their unrelenting dominance on the track."

http://insiderracingnews.com/RG/010406.html

and

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/hemi/hemi.html

" Although the motor was basically legislated out of NASCAR in the 1970s, and emissions laws, high production costs, and the insurance industry stopped production of the street version in 1971, the motor still dominates the top drag racing classes more than twenty-five years later. "

http://insiderracingnews.com/Images/...06/Dodge69.jpg

OwManThatHurt 09-21-2006 04:12 AM

Re: WHy was the HEMI banned from NASCAR in the 50's
 

Originally Posted by joshuaa3 (Post 2490198)
"...NASCAR outlawed winged cars from racing altogether because of their unrelenting dominance on the track."

yet the "new" nascar will have huge spoilers on them. hypocritical eh.

DC97Cobra 09-21-2006 05:40 AM

Re: WHy was the HEMI banned from NASCAR in the 50's
 

Originally Posted by OwManThatHurt (Post 2490344)
yet the "new" nascar will have huge spoilers on them. hypocritical eh.

eh...just a change in times. I think it's about time that Nascar start catching up with technology and move away from carburated motors. They should go farther back in their roots and be forced to use the cars that are sold on the showroom floor. Allow them to upgrade the engines and add safety features of course but if the car only comes with a 3.4L V6 with an auto then thats the powerplant that they have to work with.

I understand that you are doing history on the Chrysler Hemi but look into Ford's Boss 429 history as well. It was built due to the Hemi dominating the circuit but was still not capable creating the hp needed to keep up.

Royalty 09-21-2006 09:07 AM

Re: WHy was the HEMI banned from NASCAR in the 50's
 

Originally Posted by DC97Cobra (Post 2490484)
I understand that you are doing history on the Chrysler Hemi but look into Ford's Boss 429 history as well. It was built due to the Hemi dominating the circuit but was still not capable creating the hp needed to keep up.

SO in other words, Ford tried their hardest and still came up short.... typical. LOL

I make sure to refrence that in my paper.

MSeunos 09-21-2006 06:02 PM

Re: WHy was the HEMI banned from NASCAR in the 50's
 
It'll probably be pretty hard to collect find real info on what your looking for. I don't think a lot of them could write.

bonestock94 09-23-2006 05:53 PM

Re: WHy was the HEMI banned from NASCAR in the 50's
 

Originally Posted by OwManThatHurt (Post 2490344)
yet the "new" nascar will have huge spoilers on them. hypocritical eh.

Will they really? Interesting..

v8Buster 09-25-2006 03:43 AM

Re: WHy was the HEMI banned from NASCAR in the 50's
 
lol as a nascar fan, I must say that its boring lol all the cars are the fuckin same pretty much, just wait for an accident and then take 1st place is how its raced on the super speedways.

css1129 09-27-2006 09:11 PM

Re: WHy was the HEMI banned from NASCAR in the 50's
 

Originally Posted by Royalty (Post 2490958)
SO in other words, Ford tried their hardest and still came up short.... typical. LOL

I make sure to refrence that in my paper.

Actually ford made a motor to combat the hemi...it was a dual overhead cam motor if Im correct. But nascar axed it before it became reality.

css1129 09-27-2006 09:14 PM

Re: WHy was the HEMI banned from NASCAR in the 50's
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_FE_engine#427_SOHC


actually it was sohc....sorry.....look at the 427 SOHC.

Royalty 09-28-2006 10:39 AM

Re: WHy was the HEMI banned from NASCAR in the 50's
 
thanks alot everyone. I have all teh info i need now.

Enigma 09-28-2006 12:11 PM

Re: WHy was the HEMI banned from NASCAR in the 50's
 

Originally Posted by joshuaa3 (Post 2490198)
"in the early '70's, NASCAR outlawed winged cars from racing altogether because of their unrelenting dominance on the track."


Wow. You'd think we'd like to see that numbers get lower.. oh well, leave it to the Japanese to do the aerodynamics :thup:

Prostang 06-20-2016 09:29 PM

Re: WHy was the HEMI banned from NASCAR in the 50's
 
There is some bad information About the Dominance of the Hemi engine out there, first off in 1964 the ford 427 high riser won 36 races the hemi won Daytona! at the end of the year the speeds were to a point were they were unsafe!
because of the 427 ford 's dominance it was Ban from NASCAR the 426 hemi was not a production engine but a special built Race engine, because it was not a street production engine it was ban as well! Chrysler boycotted NASCAR so there engine was given back to them! Ford kept racing they just built a different engine the 427 SOCH but it was ban before it even raced one race. by 1969 the Ford Boss 429 was making enough power that even Richard Petty switched to Ford! Dodge Came out with the wing cars that were fast, Ford Got Screwed again when there winged cars were ban again before they even were raced! If NASCAR was going to allow wing Cars they should have let every body use them or no body.

Yardjass 06-21-2016 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Prostang (Post 8371893)
There is some bad information About the Dominance of the Hemi engine out there, first off in 1964 the ford 427 high riser won 36 races the hemi won Daytona! at the end of the year the speeds were to a point were they were unsafe!
because of the 427 ford 's dominance it was Ban from NASCAR the 426 hemi was not a production engine but a special built Race engine, because it was not a street production engine it was ban as well! Chrysler boycotted NASCAR so there engine was given back to them! Ford kept racing they just built a different engine the 427 SOCH but it was ban before it even raced one race. by 1969 the Ford Boss 429 was making enough power that even Richard Petty switched to Ford! Dodge Came out with the wing cars that were fast, Ford Got Screwed again when there winged cars were ban again before they even were raced! If NASCAR was going to allow wing Cars they should have let every body use them or no body.

Thank you so much for your contribution! I'm sure this was just in time to add to his paper before he turned it in...a decade ago.

NasTHatch 06-21-2016 03:37 PM

Re: WHy was the HEMI banned from NASCAR in the 50's
 

Originally Posted by Prostang (Post 8371893)
There is some bad information About the Dominance of the Hemi engine out there, first off in 1964 the ford 427 high riser won 36 races the hemi won Daytona! at the end of the year the speeds were to a point were they were unsafe!
because of the 427 ford 's dominance it was Ban from NASCAR the 426 hemi was not a production engine but a special built Race engine, because it was not a street production engine it was ban as well! Chrysler boycotted NASCAR so there engine was given back to them! Ford kept racing they just built a different engine the 427 SOCH but it was ban before it even raced one race. by 1969 the Ford Boss 429 was making enough power that even Richard Petty switched to Ford! Dodge Came out with the wing cars that were fast, Ford Got Screwed again when there winged cars were ban again before they even were raced! If NASCAR was going to allow wing Cars they should have let every body use them or no body.

Seriously, how did you find a ten year old thread?


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