Anybody wanna see a ship sink?
08-03-2006, 11:17 AM
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Anybody wanna see a ship sink?
Ford is going down! Woohoooo!
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...hur-usat_x.htm
I'm hoping it won't be long now until one of the most unscrupulous companies of our time is history. I guess what goes around DOES come around.
Let's keep our fingers crossed.
If you work for FoMoCo I'd suggest you jump ship now before it's too late. That way when they go down it won't shock the economy quite so badly. What's the point in staying now, anyway? Looks like you won't have benifits for much longer:
Maybe you could try your hand at GM? You'll feel better working for a company with morals and a future anyway. 
My hope is that they sell Premier Automotive Group to someone who can turn things around. Maybe Renault? That'd be sweet. PAG has some NICE cars. It's just too bad they're (currently) controlled by Ford. After PAG is free I could give two shits what hapens to the rest of them.
Ford has ten years tops. Once the economy bounces back nobody will even miss them. Once again, if you work on the sinking ship, JUMP! It'll make things easier on you, and everyone else, in the long run.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...hur-usat_x.htm
I'm hoping it won't be long now until one of the most unscrupulous companies of our time is history. I guess what goes around DOES come around.
Let's keep our fingers crossed.If you work for FoMoCo I'd suggest you jump ship now before it's too late. That way when they go down it won't shock the economy quite so badly. What's the point in staying now, anyway? Looks like you won't have benifits for much longer:
Originally Posted by USA Today
Bill Ford has said bankruptcy is not an option, but Burnham Securities analyst David Healy says he thinks Ford is headed for a bankruptcy filing within five years. He predicts the company will burn up $7 billion this year and up to $9 billion next year. It has $23 billion cash, including its health care fund.
Originally Posted by USA Today
GM, despite a sales slump, remains comfortably ahead of Ford and Toyota.
Ford, overall, is in worse shape than GM, says Global Insight's Magliano. Both have high labor and health care costs, and both are losing market share as consumers increasingly turn toward more fuel-efficient cars and trucks. But Ford's future product lineup looks less promising, he says.
The F-Series was the only Ford among the 10 best-sellers last month. GM had four vehicles in the top 10: Chevrolet and GMC full-size pickups and Chevy Impala and Cobalt sedans.
Ford, overall, is in worse shape than GM, says Global Insight's Magliano. Both have high labor and health care costs, and both are losing market share as consumers increasingly turn toward more fuel-efficient cars and trucks. But Ford's future product lineup looks less promising, he says.
The F-Series was the only Ford among the 10 best-sellers last month. GM had four vehicles in the top 10: Chevrolet and GMC full-size pickups and Chevy Impala and Cobalt sedans.
Ford has ten years tops. Once the economy bounces back nobody will even miss them. Once again, if you work on the sinking ship, JUMP! It'll make things easier on you, and everyone else, in the long run.
08-03-2006, 11:18 AM
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Re: Anybody wanna see a ship sink?
Fuck yeah! Go Ford... To the hell with our Economy!!!!!!!!!!!!
P.S. I'd love to see this "proof" you preach about with this so called immoral company.
P.S. I'd love to see this "proof" you preach about with this so called immoral company.
08-03-2006, 11:21 AM
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I like the new mustang
- oh and isnt every company unscrupulous ... I thought thats part of capitalism, but hey if you want to live in a socialistic soceity go for it. I have a feeling they would get a gov't bail out if things really got bad.
- oh and isnt every company unscrupulous ... I thought thats part of capitalism, but hey if you want to live in a socialistic soceity go for it. I have a feeling they would get a gov't bail out if things really got bad.
08-03-2006, 11:22 AM
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Re: Anybody wanna see a ship sink?
Originally Posted by dave22
I'm hoping it won't be long now until one of the most unscrupulous companies of our time is history. I guess what goes around DOES come around.
08-03-2006, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by MAD_DOHC
Yeah, why would you say this? What exactly have they done?
08-03-2006, 11:32 AM
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Ford is awesome, they let they're customers know of all recalls. Not like other import companies that got sued for hiding recalls.
I doubt "unscrupulous" was the best word to use, lol.
Ford will come out on top. And wasn't there a big dispute about Ford actually selling more than Chevy and they tried to get Chevy to stop using it in their commercials?
I doubt "unscrupulous" was the best word to use, lol.
Ford will come out on top. And wasn't there a big dispute about Ford actually selling more than Chevy and they tried to get Chevy to stop using it in their commercials?
08-03-2006, 11:35 AM
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Re: Anybody wanna see a ship sink?
Originally Posted by XCELR8
Fuck yeah! Go Ford... To the hell with our Economy!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by XCELR8
P.S. I'd love to see this "proof" you preach about with this so called immoral company.
ATTORNEY: In 1989, sir, was it Ford's goal, as far as you knew, to pass the Consumers Union test- that is, to go through the course without experiencing wheel lift?
ROGER SIMPSON, Ford Explorer Project Manager: Ford's goal was to subject the UN-46 prototypes to that test procedure to determine what effect it might have on a new product that we were about to put into the marketplace, so that if and when Consumer Reports were to repeat that test on a production vehicle subsequent to Job 1, we wouldn't have any surprises. 1st ATTORNEY: Would you agree with me that widening the UN-46 two inches would have made it less likely to roll over?
ROGER SIMPSON: Generally, that is a directional improvement to vehicle stability. That's correct.
ATTORNEY: A directional improvement. Does that mean it makes it more safe and more stable?
SIMPSON'S ATTORNEY: Object to the form of the question.
ROGER SIMPSON: It means that it goes in that direction. Yes, sir. How much it would improve it, I do not know.
ATTORNEY: One of the reasons it was unacceptable to widen the track two inches was because of the $500 million-plus investment that Ford had sunk into the Explorer by this time and the need to get a return on that investment?
ROGER SIMPSON: That was one of the reasons.
ATTORNEY: Yes.
TAB TURNER, Plaintiff Attorney: They came to a fork in the road. "Do we fix this vehicle and take the time to do it right and save people's lives, or do we go in this direction and cosmetically fix the vehicle, but having full knowledge of the risk that it's going to place the consumer in?" And they chose to cosmetically fix the vehicle instead of really fixing the vehicle.
ROGER SIMPSON, Ford Explorer Project Manager: Ford's goal was to subject the UN-46 prototypes to that test procedure to determine what effect it might have on a new product that we were about to put into the marketplace, so that if and when Consumer Reports were to repeat that test on a production vehicle subsequent to Job 1, we wouldn't have any surprises. 1st ATTORNEY: Would you agree with me that widening the UN-46 two inches would have made it less likely to roll over?
ROGER SIMPSON: Generally, that is a directional improvement to vehicle stability. That's correct.
ATTORNEY: A directional improvement. Does that mean it makes it more safe and more stable?
SIMPSON'S ATTORNEY: Object to the form of the question.
ROGER SIMPSON: It means that it goes in that direction. Yes, sir. How much it would improve it, I do not know.
ATTORNEY: One of the reasons it was unacceptable to widen the track two inches was because of the $500 million-plus investment that Ford had sunk into the Explorer by this time and the need to get a return on that investment?
ROGER SIMPSON: That was one of the reasons.
ATTORNEY: Yes.
TAB TURNER, Plaintiff Attorney: They came to a fork in the road. "Do we fix this vehicle and take the time to do it right and save people's lives, or do we go in this direction and cosmetically fix the vehicle, but having full knowledge of the risk that it's going to place the consumer in?" And they chose to cosmetically fix the vehicle instead of really fixing the vehicle.
In order to have vehicles released by "Job 1" (their code name for projected release dates, which is kind of funny since one of their slogans used to be "Quality is Job 1.") they cut corners that they knew would kill at least some of their customers. They figured it would be cheaper to pay off their families than to make their vehicles safe. Despite being wrong every time they make this assumption, they continue to do it.
08-03-2006, 11:40 AM
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Re: Anybody wanna see a ship sink?
Originally Posted by dave22
It took me a secone, but pretty much any google search for court transcripts from trials when they knowingly killed their own customers (Pinto, Bronco II, Explorer, etc etc etc) will turn up pretty good proof.
Suzuki - Remember the outcry when the Samurai's would roll over
GM - Any one remember the lawsuits about the saddle type gas tanks
You're only picking on Ford when I could look up the same shit about any car manufacturer
Go grind your ax somewhere else
08-03-2006, 11:40 AM
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Re: Anybody wanna see a ship sink?
Originally Posted by XCELR8
He has an unfounded opinion of the company and neglects to understand the negative effects of what would happen to the country we live in if this company went out of business.
And I understand the temporary negaitve effects on the economy, but those are coming whether Ford goes down or they get help. We need to prepare for it now so it won't have as bad an impact when they die out.