View Full Version : How does Nitrous work?
JdM-BRiD
11-12-2002, 07:31 PM
Can someone please explain with as much detail as possible on how nitrous works and the difference of the 3 setups, dry, wet, direct port.
dry is just nitrous injected
wet is nitrous and fuel injected
direct port is nitrous and fuel into each cylinder indivually
fogger is a nozzle in the intake hose
n20 breaks down and the oxygen goes into the combustion chanber which allows more fuel to be burned with the extra oxygen and therefore making more horsepower
the N chills the intake charge greatly making the air colder and cold air is more dense than hot air therefore carrying more oxygen and again allowing for more fuel to be burning in the combustion chamber
this is it more or less and someone correct me if i am wrong
growley
11-12-2002, 08:39 PM
n2o splits at approximately 567 deg F
zexpwrd4door
11-12-2002, 10:40 PM
N2O is a great thing.....ummmm spray?:D
Vengance
11-14-2002, 01:19 PM
you better be sure that you install a correct set for your car or else damage can be done. i've had friends blow engines.
Originally posted by Vengance
damage can be done. i've had friends blow engines.
shut up mom
DoC-JoneS
11-14-2002, 03:17 PM
anyone know about a universal fogger system for a V6? i'm looking at geting one someday, just like a 60-75 shot. I can't seem to find many universal systems... NO ONE makes a SHO nitrous kit...
I'll add a few points:
The reason for the n2o (not N twenty and not NO2 like a lot of people like to type) is that the nitrogen bonded with the oxygen makes the molecule more stable. The oxygen is the actual fuel. More oxygen = more fuel = more bang = more go fast.
This is why nitrous is "forced induction"
If it wasn't for the nitrogen bonded with it, the oxygen would burn up at a lower temperature and cause pre detonation much in the same way low octane does in a high compression/turbo automobile.
This is one of the reasons I do not like nitrous oxide as a mod. You're taking more fuel and dumping it right in from a seperate tank instead of a power adder like sc or turbo that is actually part of the working engine.
Originally posted by Heat
The reason for the n2o (not N twenty and not NO2 like a lot of people like to type)
omg... omg... im so sorry i meant n2o so now you know what im talking about.
JERK!!!!!!!!!!:cool:
Blasphemous
11-14-2002, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by DoC-JoneS
anyone know about a universal fogger system for a V6? i'm looking at geting one someday, just like a 60-75 shot. I can't seem to find many universal systems... NO ONE makes a SHO nitrous kit...
Look at the NOS pro-import fogger systems. They're not exactly universal systems because it says it's for a 4cyl, but you can put it in anything I'd imagine.
i have an old nitrous universal system for sale? want it? I can get you whatever shot you want. It is 100 shot now.
DoC-JoneS
11-15-2002, 09:20 AM
pm me with details n such...
AK1200
11-15-2002, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by trip
dry is just nitrous injected
wet is nitrous and fuel injected
direct port is nitrous and fuel into each cylinder indivually
fogger is a nozzle in the intake hose
n20 breaks down and the oxygen goes into the combustion chanber which allows more fuel to be burned with the extra oxygen and therefore making more horsepower
the N chills the intake charge greatly making the air colder and cold air is more dense than hot air therefore carrying more oxygen and again allowing for more fuel to be burning in the combustion chamber
this is it more or less and someone correct me if i am wrong
good answer, in lamens terms it raises the compression in the cylinder
a dry sysyem is better than wet because, the wet system "CAN" (not always) puddle in the cylinder and detenate your engine.
Fabrik8
11-15-2002, 10:12 PM
A correctly designed system of either type can do great things for performance... Look at the amount of power you want to add and your budget for the amount of hardware involved. Wet/direct port systems require more parts and peices, which can add up quick on a budget, plus the modifications to your intake, etc., are a little bit greater. Honestly though, a system of either type can work great if well thought out and properly executed...
DoC-JoneS
11-16-2002, 09:48 PM
just be careful with your NaWz kids. get it installed by a professional, not cousin jim who just learned how to change his own oil...
FukaFartCan
11-17-2002, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by Heat
I'll add a few points:
The reason for the n2o (not N twenty and not NO2 like a lot of people like to type) is that the nitrogen bonded with the oxygen makes the molecule more stable. The oxygen is the actual fuel. More oxygen = more fuel = more bang = more go fast.
This is why nitrous is "forced induction"
If it wasn't for the nitrogen bonded with it, the oxygen would burn up at a lower temperature and cause pre detonation much in the same way low octane does in a high compression/turbo automobile.
This is one of the reasons I do not like nitrous oxide as a mod. You're taking more fuel and dumping it right in from a seperate tank instead of a power adder like sc or turbo that is actually part of the working engine.
Dr Heat strikes again. :rolleyes:
Nitrous is NOT forced induction. That sounds like some way a ricer would try to explain things. :rolleyes: Forced induction is defined by air being mechanically crammed through an orifice, which creates boost as we know it. Nitrous is a totally different type of power addition, which involves a state change from the nitrous going from liquid to a gas, then burning off at a very cool temperature. This cool temperature is where the increase in hp is made.
Heat, you have no clue what the hell you are talking about on this subject, so I hope you arent one of the pansies that sprays and blows up, then comes back complaining. :rolleyes:
Blasphemous
11-17-2002, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by FukaFartCan
Dr Heat strikes again. :rolleyes:
Nitrous is NOT forced induction. That sounds like some way a ricer would try to explain things. :rolleyes: Forced induction is defined by air being mechanically crammed through an orifice, which creates boost as we know it. Nitrous is a totally different type of power addition, which involves a state change from the nitrous going from liquid to a gas, then burning off at a very cool temperature. This cool temperature is where the increase in hp is made.
Heat, you have no clue what the hell you are talking about on this subject, so I hope you arent one of the pansies that sprays and blows up, then comes back complaining. :rolleyes:
FFC, I have to go with Heat on this one...
Muscle Car Club's Definition (http://www.musclecarclub.com/library/tech/forced-induction.shtml)
"Forced Induction" is the process of using a mechanical system to "force" more air into an engine. This includes Superchargers, Turbochargers, Nitrious systems, and other mechanical systems, but not hood scoops which just direct outside air into the engine. Both Superchargers and Turbos use a compressor to "force" air into the engine, making it more dense (i.e. more oxygen). When a proportionately larger amount of fuel is added to the denser air charge, the mixture creates a much larger explosion and thus more power from the engine. Nitrous Oxide Systems ("NOS") works by directly injecting Nitrous Oxide (NO2) into the engine. The higher concentration of oxygen found in NO2 (compared to air) and more fuel leads to the same effect as Superchargers and Turbos. Although the basic concepts are similar, each differs in their design and execution.
gosh ffc...I guess now we all know why you only hang around in super punch out. It's because you're a moron when it comes to tech talk :D
Funny how you think I might be spraying when I just said I don't like nitrous oxide. I guess you can't read either :confused:
btw aaron thanks for doing the dirty work for me one this one hehe
BigBoat
11-17-2002, 09:59 PM
http://home.mindspring.com/~ezeh/_uimages/nawz.jpg
:barf: :barf: :barf:
Blasphemous
11-18-2002, 04:48 AM
Originally posted by Heat
gosh ffc...I guess now we all know why you only hang around in super punch out. It's because you're a moron when it comes to tech talk :D
Funny how you think I might be spraying when I just said I don't like nitrous oxide. I guess you can't read either :confused:
btw aaron thanks for doing the dirty work for me one this one hehe
I had just read somethin about it, coincedently, so I thought I'd chime in.
DoC-JoneS
11-18-2002, 07:15 AM
well i know Heat isn't running nitrous. i've seen his setup. so sorry FFC unless he's running a sneaky pete setup, the only bottle he's got in his car is mountain dew....
anyways he ain't running anything till he gets his fuel pump fixed. hope you get that shit fixed man, i know life sans ride really sucks...
damn justin...last time I tell you anything about my car :rolleyes:
DoC-JoneS
11-18-2002, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by Heat
damn justin...last time I tell you anything about my car :rolleyes:
hey eric...
NEWS FLASH
you didn't tell me anything aobut your car. i just got a peek under the hood, that was enough....
no it wasn't, and yes I did.
Ninety7GSX
11-18-2002, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by FukaFartCan
Nitrous is NOT forced induction. That sounds like some way a ricer would try to explain things.
Um. No.
Why do all the nitrous cars run in the Forced Induction classes then?
DoC-JoneS
11-18-2002, 11:55 PM
okay you said yeah i've just done some turbo work and intercooler some suspension. that was about it man. and yes i know there are alot of things that can be done and never show under the hood. i have seen under the hood of a DSM before your car and yes it was WAY before F&F...
funny you say that because my suspension is stock. I don't talk to anyone about what my car has except for pat, nick, my dad and my team.
You asked me the other day why my car wasn't at work and I said because of the fuel pump. That's all I said.
If you knew anything about dsms you'd know that seeing under the hood of one doesn't tell you anything except it's not stock once you're to the point my car is.
What kind of injectors, what kind of turbo, what kind of fuel pump, what kind of internals, how much boost, what kind of port work blahbiddy blah blah blah. You can't tell any of that stuff by looking under my hood.
DoC-JoneS
11-19-2002, 04:15 PM
yeah i know that eric...
your suspension is stock? i could've sworn you are using lowering springs and or coilovers...
yes i know nothing about DSM's compared to you. there you happy :D
reXer
11-19-2002, 05:22 PM
nitrous isn't forced induction... now I've heard everything.
yo dock jones... wanna look under my hood to see if there's any performance additives? ;) I don't think there's but like 5 people on this board who would even know what to look for.... and my car has about a 75% increase in hp over stock :D
flow fx
11-19-2002, 05:54 PM
DoC- long as your car is fuel injected most v6 dry kits will be the exact same
I ran a V6 mustang venom kit on my prelude, you just need diagram of the injector harness.. unless your completely inept with cars, I'd never let a "pro shop" install it. My venom kit was the most "complicated" drykit, and takes about 1 hour to install, and thats only due to having to test the voltage on wires
go with an NX kit.. venom's too $$ for what you get.
(my experience with vcn-1000, NOT 2000. i dont know a thing about the 2000)
DoC-JoneS
11-19-2002, 10:44 PM
sure reXer, just pop the hood.
"jee sure is pretty under here. Nope it's not stock."
and if it's turbo it's easily making 75% more hp than it did originally. i can't tell how much boost you're making by your turbo housing. only thing i can tell is that rest assured you're faster than i am...
dxplicitone
11-21-2002, 07:43 PM
i still really havent heard the question answered totally i agree with a few answers but it doesnt break it down totally...
for new nitrous users...
the n.o.s nitrous faq is a great place to start your learning...
nitrous faq (http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/TechServ/TechInfo/NOSTech5.html)
this is the place you start with people who have been doing this since before most of us were driving...
i know quit a bit about nitrous on imports been doing it for quite some time now... but i dont know everything~ you never will...
if you have questions feel free to ask and ill do what i can for an answer.. also i will be moving to va beach as of the beginning of the year and i do custom and generic nitrous installs for those who are interested in playing with the "blue bottle of terror" i have pictures of my work as well as happy customer references..
and that nitrous being force inducted thing... that will forever be a battle... id give up on trying to win that one... either side
FukaFartCan
11-23-2002, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by Heat
gosh ffc...I guess now we all know why you only hang around in super punch out. It's because you're a moron when it comes to tech talk :D
Funny how you think I might be spraying when I just said I don't like nitrous oxide. I guess you can't read either :confused:
btw aaron thanks for doing the dirty work for me one this one hehe
Moron? Who is the moron? Let me clarify for you little one...
First of all, you like to ASSUME. Please notate "ASS" in "ASSume". Do we really need to go on with this again? I know you are scared to spray, you drive and Eclipse........thats proof in the pudding that you are a twat. You dont like nitrous? Ok, not a problem.
Now as to who the actual moron is on this subject........you guys seriously take to heart what other people think too? Do you guys masterbate off of the performance list of each car in the back of Car And Driver? Let me guess, you both have GTechs? :rolleyes: Thats fine that you agree with their theories.....but remember they are THEORIES, not facts. The way things are explained on that site is ok, but to call n2o forced induction is the lamest thing I have heard in a while. The only classification it falls into anywhere close to forced induction is the general classification of POWER ADDERS.
:hi: Hello morons.
FukaFartCan
11-23-2002, 09:44 PM
Originally posted by Ninety7GSX
Um. No.
Why do all the nitrous cars run in the Forced Induction classes then?
Its a classification for a racing bracket, simply. Consider the "forced induction" bracket as 'power adder" class. I can see how you guys think the way you do, I am just trying to clarify that this is not correct. Trust me, I have been in the scene for several years.
FukaFartCan
11-23-2002, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by reXer
nitrous isn't forced induction... now I've heard everything.
I am sorry but you all look like a bunch of goons. :rolleyes: Let me guess........nitrous was labeled forced induction on Fast and Furious? Kind of like nitrous was deemed NOS. :rolleyes:
Its lame, and incorrect. :hi:
OuTLaW STaR
11-24-2002, 12:11 PM
here's the Nitrous Oxide Systems(a.k.a. NOS) definition
Nitrous oxide is made up of 2 parts nitrogen and one part oxygen (36% oxygen by weight). During the combustion process in an engine, at about 572 degrees F, nitrous breaks down and releases oxygen. This extra oxygen creates additional power by allowing more fuel to be burned. Nitrogen acts to buffer, or dampen the increased cylinder pressures helping to control the combustion process. Nitrous also has a tremendous "intercooling" effect by reducing intake charge temperatures by 60 to 75 degrees F.
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