h22a LAG [Archive] - VAdriven.com Forums

Big Chris

11-10-2002, 05:30 PM

Hey whats up guys? I was wondering if any of you could help me with my problem. I have some SERIOUS lag in my car. It happens from 0 - 5500rpm and then VTEC kicks in and she flies. I have no clue what it could be. I've checked all my vacuum lines, IAB, vacuum tank, MAP sensor and spark plugs. The only thing now is to try the O2 sensor and a compression check. Has anyone ever experienced this before?? Any help would be greatly appreciated. If you'd like, IM me at Sirex or AccoLude4Chris on AIM. Thanks for the help guys..

Flite

11-10-2002, 07:04 PM

What mods other than the normal I/H/E?

Big Chris

11-10-2002, 07:12 PM

Spoon chip, Unorthodox Racing Stage 2 clutch, Fidanza Flywheel,
eibachs, kyb agx and thats about it. Any ideas??

Flite

11-10-2002, 07:30 PM

spoon chip??? hmmmmmm

Big Chris

11-10-2002, 07:43 PM

you think this could be my problem????

Flite

11-10-2002, 07:49 PM

My initial thought were wondering if you had a V-AFC or something like that. The Spoon chip should do a lot of the same stuff as the V-AFC. I've had my V-AFC setup wrong before and my S2000 could barely get out of it's own way. Do you have access to a stock ECU?

Big Chris

11-10-2002, 08:04 PM

Unfortunately I do not. I'd hate to buy a new ECU and not have that be the problem. I do have an Accord ECU but that won't really do much...

s2k7

11-10-2002, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by Big Chris
Unfortunately I do not. I'd hate to buy a new ECU and not have that be the problem. I do have an Accord ECU but that won't really do much...

i see it says your from NJ

are you anywhere around here? Ill be more than glad to meet up with you somewhere and lend you my ecu to try it out.

Big Chris

11-10-2002, 09:12 PM

Hey Nate, I really appreciate your offer I am from NJ and I'm no where near VA. I need to find someone close to me to do this...

:beer: <== on me if anyone is nearby that could help out.

Fabrik8

11-10-2002, 09:50 PM

My guess is that the Spoon chip really isn't tuned to work well with the performance stuff that you have, and it's running rich or something. When the cams switch, it probably works a little better when the engine needs more fuel anyway.. I'm guessing that it all boils down to the fact that that program isn't set up to work with your car, and it was probably meant to work with different cams and fueling requirements than you have...... Just my $0.02

Big Chris

11-10-2002, 09:56 PM

you could be right. I'm gonna try and get my hands on an ECU so I can try it out. Thanks alot for the help guys. I will keep you updated.

Chris

Flite

11-11-2002, 08:37 AM

You shouldn't have too much of a problem finding someone that could take their ECU out and let you try it out. It's about a five minute job to take out an ECU. I don't know the scene in NJ but around here there are tons of people that would help you out.

20psi 240sx

11-11-2002, 12:27 PM

the accord ecu will run the h22 somewhat safely upto about 5000 rpm. try it. how does it idle? is this a 96 or newer h22? you can adjust timing on the earlier ones and if it is off much, you will get what you are describing. btw, how long have you had a h22? they feel just like a f22 does until 5500 rpm. then they scream.
shaun

Crate

11-11-2002, 04:28 PM

ya, the h22 runs highly rich as is.. and i THOUGHT the spoon chip was supposed to slightly lean it out?

and from your list of mods, your stock sept for the clutch/suspension. I have i/h/e and stock jdm ecu and i definetly dont feel any lag below 5500.. and why is your vtec crossover at 5500? mine hits at like 4900-5k'ish on the stock tach.

not sure what could cause it to do that... what is your exact setup?

btw, are you the guy i met at the autox w/ the h22 4th gen burgundy accord from NJ?

Big Chris

11-11-2002, 04:43 PM

here is my exact setup:

short ram intake
DC headers
Greddy SP
no cat
Unorthodx racing clutch / fidanza flywheel
eibach springs
kyb agx
spoon chip

The reason I think my vtec kicks in at 5500rpm is because of the spoon chip.

Sorry crate, I've never met you before...

any help though is appreciated..

s2k7

11-11-2002, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by 20psi 240sx
they feel just like a f22 does until 5500 rpm

5100 for me.

and the spoon chip should switch over vtec at 5k

Big Chris

11-11-2002, 06:34 PM

my car is a piece of shit.. i regret doing this swap.. honest to god felt faster with F22

s2k7

11-11-2002, 07:08 PM

OMGGGGGGG I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU JUST SAID THAT...

its just not right, dont give up, play around with it a bit.. when she gets up and running good, youll regret ever having said that.

Big Chris

11-11-2002, 07:20 PM

yo i've been messing with it for over a month.. i'm ready to put in the F22.. you know how much it sux being beat off the line by a grandfather driving a little civic hatch who wasn't even pushing it all the way?? thats how bad my lag is...

Crate

11-11-2002, 08:12 PM

damn guy.

uhhm. i cant think of anything besides fuel delivery that would cause THAT bad of lag...

double check your fuel rail, injectors and such. TAKE IT TO SOMEONE!!! heh

Big Chris

11-11-2002, 08:15 PM

I'm actually thinking of putting on my accord fuel rail and fuel injectors to see if that will fix my problem. Also gonna put some fuel injector cleaner in to see if that could possibly fix it. I'm running out of ideas man..

20psi 240sx

11-11-2002, 09:25 PM

the h22 came with different size injectors on different years. make sure you got a spoon ecu for the right injectors. and for gods sake, you know that its not the engine causing it to be slower. you have to know what you are doing, or be willing to put up the crap long enough to learn. btw, injector cleaner is a waste of time. unless you have always ran crappy no name brand gas, its not going to help you. try telling us what you have. what your h22? why don't you have a stock h22 ecu? are you getting any fault codes? i'll try to help you, but don't give up on it. besides the f22 is so fuckn slow!
shaun

Big Chris

11-11-2002, 09:36 PM

The ECU was for an automatic H22 and I was told that if I change the chip to a manual chip I should be fine so I bought the Spoon chip. I have a 94 JDM H22a setup and I'm not getting any codes. I appreciate the help.

20psi 240sx

11-11-2002, 10:04 PM

let nate and ike look at it for you if you are close by. btw, nate, i'm friends with chris with h22 wagon, got a pic of your car with chris' and ike's and someone else too....:0)

Crate

11-11-2002, 10:09 PM

If i were you. i would begin eliminating variables.

1) remove the spoon chip...
2) get rid of that automatic ecu.. prolly isnt helping at all...

the i/h/e shouldnt effect anything really. thats what i got on mine.

is your motor obd1 or 2? Do you have a obd1 motor w/ a obd2 ecu?

take it back to the basics. just find yourself a stock h22 obd1 ecu. 150-250 bux. that will fix your problems prolly.

better then swapping your f22 back in...

HELL! find a friend with a GSR. GSR ecu WILL work.. dont run aroudn with it forever, but use it to see. It will run you slightly leaner down low so you WILL notice that low end you have been missing.. if that fixes it then get yourself the correct ecu.

edit: just noticed you said 94. so is your ecu from a obd2?

Big Chris

11-11-2002, 10:12 PM

its an obd1 motor with an obd1 ecu

where can i find an ecu for that cheap?? i called a junkyard my area but i didn't have the part number to the ECU available and I was too lazy to take out the ECU. prolly gonna do that tomorrow.

Crate

11-11-2002, 10:21 PM

actually, call steve @ www.hondamotorsonline.com

its longdistance (or use a cellphone) but ask him if he has a obd1 h22 ecu laying around. he told me 250 i think for one.