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Hybrid AWD
11-09-2002, 10:53 AM
OK well ive been having some trouble with my TSi and it all leads back to the crank sensor i believe which sucks....
You can tell where the crank sensor wheel has hit the crank sensor a little bit.... therefor meaning something moved.... possibly the crank -_- (aka crankwalk)
Ive been wondering which way to go if my motor was crankwalked.... here are some options
-- 1g Motor
-- original 7 bolt
-- built 7 bolt
-- 4G64 motor conversion
I just wanted to get some opinions on which way i should go... i think the 4G64 would be the most expensive and hardest... I plan on doing all my work myself... so i can do anything i want basically.
Dump the broke ass DSM and get a real car ^_^
drifter
11-09-2002, 11:49 AM
1g motor dude...theyre much better than the 2g i assume you have
SmartAss
11-09-2002, 11:52 AM
Cyclone motor. Absolutely the best damn motor for that car.
www.adrperformance.com
carries them last time I checked.
I wouldnt cahnge the motor at all out of it. I think the 1st gen DSM motors have the most potential of any. Something else you cna look into if finding a wrecked AWD car at the junk yard, (head on collision) and take the tranny and rear out of it to convert your car.
If your car is working right now with that problem or you have another beater car. But a 2.0 Turbo motor and build the shit out of the engine. Do everything you can to it with you income and then plant that baby into the car.
I want my 1st gen back stupid ass non DSM 3rd gens
wtf...it's not crankwalk. I hate it when everytime a dsm gets problems, people think it's cw.
Does your car stall when taking a left turn? Does your clutch not want to come up off the floor when you push it in?
Does it sound like a woodpecker is tapping a tree near your timing belt?
The answer is no, you don't have these symptoms and you don't have crankwalk.
Why don't you to put a prybar against your crank and see if it moves?
your motor isn't crankwalked, this thread is a non issue.
drifter
11-09-2002, 01:56 PM
who cares if it isnt crankwalk...drop that shitty 2g motor for a 1g..its worth it in the long run
you want a piece of my shitty 2g motor? That's right, you don't.
It's not a cost effective move for him to get a 1g motor, so can it.
Hybrid AWD
11-09-2002, 02:20 PM
-- Monday is the day to find out.... im gonna do the test for it... if it is i dont know what im gonna do.... doesnt matter, the car cant be down long...
-- I kinda dont really think its crankwalk but answer this question for me.... Crank Sensor has marks from the wheel on it.... only way its gonna move is by the crank moving forward or backwards...
-- why is there marks on the sensor?
-- Hopefully its just gonna be that sensor itself....
MeanGreenGSX
11-09-2002, 07:09 PM
I vote 6 bolt,but if youve got enough $$$ to build a motor then why not build one, build a 6 bolt though if you do.
Thread is going off-topic ... new part has been split and put in super punchout. Continue there.
HighPSI TSi Guy
11-11-2002, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by drifter
who cares if it isnt crankwalk...drop that shitty 2g motor for a 1g..its worth it in the long run
and your an idiot.
if it's crankwalk, get a 1g motor, or a imported motor. there is no such thing as a cyclone motor. some imported motors will come with a cyclone intake manifold that is a total piece of shit, and you wil lwant to drop it and put your current manifold on it. the imported motors are the same internally as a 1G motor. DSMs are expensive shit and easy to fuck up, if you don't know what you're talking about don't give this guy advice. he says he has a problem with his crank angle sensor and you al lare telling him to buy a 1g parts car and shit, wtf? yes, the 1g motor has a different designed block that is much less prone to crankwalk, but why the FUCK would he need to go get the entire drivetrain off one? not to mention it wouldn't fit.
here is your solution:
check your car for crankwalk. if it is crankwalk, i know a guy selling a 1G motor in fredericksburg i can hook you up with. it will need to be built but you might as well do that while the motor is out of the car anyway. do not replace it with another 2g 7 bolt, it might walk just like this one. do not rebuild this motor, it will walk again. if you have to replace your motor you need a 1g block. hell you could get a 1g block and use the 2g head you already have and call it a day.
drifter
11-11-2002, 03:46 PM
im sorry i dont know as much about dsm's than you, but my point was that the 1g motor is far less prone to crankwalk and it would be smart to use the 1g motor...especially if he's planning on highly modifying it
chill guys :beer:
Hybrid AWD
11-11-2002, 04:48 PM
Ok well i think im gonna do a 4g64 conversion depending on how much of a hook up i get from HighPSI TSI Guy..... PM me with soem figures and info on the motor....
For some explanation:
In my car now is a 7 bolt 4g63 for those who dont know.... i will be building 4g64 hybrid which is a very hefty little motor... read more about it on forums... its expensive to do and time consuming and there has to be some modifications doen... but i work at Pomoco Chrysler on Jefferson and get discounted prices on all Mitsubishi stuff ^_^ WHHEEE for me...
So if anyone is selling a4g64 motor or a 1g motor let me know the numbers and what it consist of.... Thanks guys
HighPSI TSi Guy
11-11-2002, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by drifter
im sorry i dont know as much about dsm's than you, but my point was that the 1g motor is far less prone to crankwalk and it would be smart to use the 1g motor...especially if he's planning on highly modifying it
chill guys :beer:
sorry for beeing so harsh, but if that's what you meant, then say that instead.
did you actually expect him to get "the 1g motor is far less prone to crankwalk and it would be smart to use the 1g motor" out of "drop the 2g motor"? say it if you want in the main discussion, but this is the tech area, the idea is to get USEFUL information, not to waste space.
what you said wasn't what i was most mad about, your's was jsut the one i happend to click the quote button for. some of the other suggestions were a LOT more pointless, stupid, and wrong.
2muchboost, check your PMs :)
IthinkI1
11-11-2002, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by 2MchBoost4U
Ok well i think im gonna do a 4g64 conversion depending on how much of a hook up i get from HighPSI TSI Guy..... PM me with soem figures and info on the motor....
For some explanation:
In my car now is a 7 bolt 4g63 for those who dont know.... i will be building 4g64 hybrid which is a very hefty little motor... read more about it on forums... its expensive to do and time consuming and there has to be some modifications doen... but i work at Pomoco Chrysler on Jefferson and get discounted prices on all Mitsubishi stuff ^_^ WHHEEE for me...
So if anyone is selling a4g64 motor or a 1g motor let me know the numbers and what it consist of.... Thanks guys
go for it there money bags
Hybrid AWD
11-11-2002, 07:04 PM
yeah as long as i dont get hit from behind ill be ok ^_^ itll be tight but i might just go 1g its cheaper i can be just as fast...and i can find a way to create the low end torque like a 4g64 but i dont know still.... ill have to make a decision soon though because i dont know how long my temp. fix will hold out...if at all
IthinkI1
11-11-2002, 07:05 PM
well if thats the case there little nicky...perhaps you might want to change your sig
IthinkI1
11-11-2002, 07:07 PM
maybe to........damn..i wish i knew exactly what the hell i was doing instead of posting my ass off
Hybrid AWD
11-11-2002, 07:12 PM
im gonna keep it like that until i know for sure what im gonna do..... money is some what of a factor.... i dont wanna pull a steve and like you said have something else break like my wonderful tranny and be stuck
IthinkI1
11-11-2002, 07:13 PM
yeah no shit...that would suck
Ninety7GSX
11-11-2002, 08:57 PM
Has anyone thopught about the fact that he just bought a act clutch and fidanza 7 bolt flywheel.
Would any of you want to go buy another 400 dollar flywheel?
4G64 is what I would do. The pistons are the only thing you have to worry about. They are the only part of the swap that will have to be custom.
Rods are the same from the 4G63-64. You will use the stock 4G64 crank. You will need to buy DOHC galant cam gears and timing belt. I believe jun makes a set of adjustables if you don't care for stock. You will need to use the 4g64 head gasket.
Thats basically it. I will look into it more for you if you want. I also have almost all the motor specs if you want them.
HighPSI TSi Guy
11-11-2002, 10:14 PM
expensive route but it would be nice.. he could reuse the head he already has, and keep the 7 bolt flywheel.. although he could just find a 7 bolt 1g motor..
Ninety7GSX
11-11-2002, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by HighPSI TSi Guy
although he could just find a 7 bolt 1g motor..
I told him that too. But, the 4g64 would be much more fun. Thats why i recommended that route. : )
HighPSI TSi Guy
11-11-2002, 10:53 PM
Originally posted by Ninety7GSX
I told him that too. But, the 4g64 would be much more fun. Thats why i recommended that route. : )
of course.. 4g64 would own :D .. long way off for me though.. my tranny converted itself to FWD on saturday :( so anyone who knows of a 1g AWD being parted out with a low mileage tranny, hit me up..
MeanGreenGSX
11-12-2002, 12:10 AM
My best wishes on the 4G64 swap, I realllllly hope you can do it cause it will be a beast for sure, I certanly wouldnt fuck with your car with that motor
Ninety7GSX
11-12-2002, 12:17 AM
Originally posted by HighPSI TSi Guy
of course.. 4g64 would own :D .. long way off for me though.. my tranny converted itself to FWD on saturday :( so anyone who knows of a 1g AWD being parted out with a low mileage tranny, hit me up..
The 90 talon that I'm getting my motor from has 100 thousand on it. I could get the tranny out of it for you. I will have to talk to the guy about how much he wants for it. Hit me up and I'll see what I can do.
Late
blktalon
11-12-2002, 03:37 AM
okay so maybe i'm not up to speed.....the 4g64 is a beast motor? why is this and what's up on the spec's and protential? i maybe interested in this swap..
HighPSI TSi Guy
11-12-2002, 09:23 AM
Originally posted by blktalon
okay so maybe i'm not up to speed.....the 4g64 is a beast motor? why is this and what's up on the spec's and protential? i maybe interested in this swap..
it's not a straight 4g64 motor.. i guess we were a bit confusing.. we are referring to the 4g63/64 hybrid motor.. it uses a 2.4L version of the same block.. this is the block used in the 4g64.. so we take the 4g64 block, and put the better 4g63 head on it, and build the block.. so we basicly end up with a 2.4L 4g63 :D
hope that explanation helps..
westonbarton
12-29-2009, 07:16 PM
id stick with the first gen motor,but i had alot of problems with the car. so i junked it and got a s-10 with a v-8. i still got the motor out of the dsm if you intrested turbo
Cyanide Jello
12-29-2009, 07:53 PM
id stick with the first gen motor,but i had alot of problems with the car. so i junked it and got a s-10 with a v-8. i still got the motor out of the dsm if you intrested turbo
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Fabrik8
12-30-2009, 01:03 AM
The answer is no. It takes the trial member period to figure out how dates work. We should make a tutorial about calendars as part of the trial member rules.
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