Just got my zx6r NEED HELP

[Abysalone]

http://www.cycleforums.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1161558 To start off I have plenty of dirt experience and im pretty good with automotive stuff. Well I picked up my bike yesterday and when I got there she fired it up easily and it ran very good. Sounds badass around 8-9k rpms :D Under 7k miles too. We strapped it down and drove home. When I went to fire it up once we got home, nothing. It would just turn over. I held the choke on like she said to do, and while in nuetral on the stand I hit the start button.(CLUTCH WAS BYPASSED SO NO NEED TO HOLD IN) All it would do is turn over. The petcock was turned on, gastank full and the key and run switch on also. Still nothing. She said it could be a low battery or fouled plugs. Im kind of pissed cuz im out 2g's and I aint even rode it yet (didnt wanna ride till I got a helmet anyways) It sounded like it was very solid running wise and all else looks good so far too. I have a ton of spare parts too if anyone needs some ;) . If any of you all have some ideas I would appreciate it.

[Del La Sol 1320]

try push starting it, get to a decent amount of speed on a hill or with two friends pushing and pop the clutch in 2nd or 3rd gear... was it cold? carburated bikes dont like to start sometimes in the cold, tomorrow is going to be really nice give it a try then... also try starting it with a car's battery attached to the bike's via some jumper cables, but DO NOT have the car running, w/ the alternator it will be too much juice for the bike's system

[Abysalone]

Ok well ill try tomorrow it was a little cold. Tried pushstarting it in 2nd then 3rd. still nothing. And I will try the jump trick.Thanks

[Alwayslast]

if you turn the key to the on position and there is a ticking sound than it's the battery.
does the bike make any noise at all trying to start up?

[GaRn]

take it off the stand!

if it has a side stand, be sure that its in the UP position, or if it has a center stand be sure its up as well!!!!

many bikes wont start(but will still turn over) if you have any of the stands down..

i am willin to bet $100 this is the problem!

[cbucgo]

Hmmm...never heard that before but I guess that could be true. I know that with the kickstand down it won't let you start it, but that only happens when the bike is in gear.
Pull the plugs out one by one still connected to the plug wire, and each time you pull a plug, hold it to a piece of metal and crank the bike to see if you are getting spark. If you aren't getting spark, you might have some issues.
If you have spark more than likely, it is a fuel problem. 1st I would check to make sure fuel is getting past the petcock. If fuel is passing through the petcock, see if it is going through the filter.

If none of our posts have helped so far, I would take it to a shop or have somebody that knows bikes, to look at it. You might check to see if the bike was winterized as well. Good luck

[Abysalone]

This is a race bike so no kickstands on it. I tried a charged battery today and still the same thing. It just cranks and thats it. I called the chick again today but no answer and no call back. She has to know im a little pissed. I dont see how putting the bike on a trailer and driving 6 hrs with it would make it not even try to start. I couldnt get to the plugs today so maybe this weekend. If she thinks she is getting the other 400$ she can forget about it. Especially if it has to goto a shop. I was kind of suspecting the fuel pump but why would it die from there to here. All she did was turn on key, pull the choke and hit the button. It started right up. I need a beer :barf:

[Abysalone]

i am willin to bet $100 this is the problem!
When do I collect? lol

[Del La Sol 1320]

well i mean its a used bike and its buyer beware and as-is all that good stuff, it was your responsibility to check it out and stuff so if it doesn't start when you get it home its not her problem... not trying to be a dick but blowing up on her won't do any good, it would be different if she sold you a clean titled bike and when you go to register it dmv tells you its really a salvage title or something... but so it started and ran just fine for you? i don't think that bike even has a fuel pump

but you haven't removed anything or done any work to it? did you wash it or did it get rained on? i mean i can't imagine any possible way she could make it start for you that one time if there was a problem so it must have occured since you bought it... i had a similar problem on my F3, it just randomly would not start, tried everything and couldn't get it to run, then i pulled the plugs, they looked perfect but i said what the hell and put in brand new ones, fired up first try... also my gsxr 750 wouldn't start once, i was pissed i tried everything, after days and days of trying and stuff i on a tip pulled my ecu's connector, inside was about 1/4" of water, blew it out with an air gun and it started first press of the button

but your trying with the choke on and off? try working the throttle while you press the start button? your absolutely certain the pet cock is in the "on" or "reserve" position? i'd try both...

so are you going to race it, or trying to make it streetable?

[Alwayslast]

i'm not a mechanic but try bringing up the idling a little bit.
and see if that works
if that doesn't work than
i can take a look at it if it is in the hapmton roads area.
where is the bike located?

[Abysalone]

Right now its off diamond spring road near northampton blvd. I think the plugs may be fouled but i didnt have a plug wrench today. I tried the idle thing, but it seems as I am getting no fire, like a switch is off or a wire loose or something. All I did was trailer it to his house and it would not start whatsoever. She said it was in the shop a few weeks ago getting checked over and carbs cleaned. The only thing I did was remove the fairings to take a look and see if anything was disconnected. I have a service manual and totally went over the whole bike. The petcock was tried in both on and reserve positions.

but your trying with the choke on and off? try working the throttle while you press the start button? your absolutely certain the pet cock is in the "on" or "reserve" position? i'd try both... I tried all of this too.
:dunno:

[GaRn]

sure you have fuel in the tank? :D

[Abysalone]

Yup its full a tank.The plugs will be replaced today or tomorrow and I will see if I can get anything.

[Abysalone]

http://houseofmotorcycles.bikebandit.com/partsbandit/assets/schematics/Kawasaki/1995ZX600F1US_E1520.gif
I guess this is the fuel pump. Should the filter be full or have a little air pocket in it? Also can I safely hotwire the pump to make sure it works, or is there another way? Just checking if its 12 volts or not. Dont wann fry it. I will try a voltmeter first. Thanks for your help.

[Abysalone]

Well today I talked to the guy at Sunrise. I told him the story and he said to drain the bowls and change the plugs and oil. Once I did that it fired right up. What happens is the fuel in the bowls will foam up and overflow into the engine and crankase because of hitting bumps. From now on I will be sure to let the bike run till its out of the bowls BEFORE trailering it. Also make sure the petcock is off. This damn thing seems alot faster than the 2 600's ive rode. One was a 95 cbr f3 and the other was an f2. :D Gotta love aftermarket parts. If any of you can tell me what an inspector would look for to pass a bike so it can be registered I would appreciate it. I know it needs hi\low beam, horn, signals. Is there anything else? Thanks for all your help guys.

[Del La Sol 1320]

thats awesome man i'm glad to hear you got it running... but i would guess its the plugs that did it, out of all my experience i have NEVER heard of this phenomenon that sunrise spoke of about the float bowls, its as far as i'm concerned impossible, and i have many racer friends that will not even step foot in that shop because of very shady dealings... but glad you got it running regardless

[Abysalone]

Thanks man. Parts only from sunrise. Was the closest shop and they all closed in like 15 minutes. I can pretty much say that he must be right though. The oil did smell like gas and the plugs were extremly wet. I cant see any other reason for them fouling like that. It ran up onto the trailor, but when it came off it did not run. He said when the fuel and oil mix, it becomes thinner and therefore gives you an extra rich condition, I guess thats why the plugs were so soaked. Oh well 50$ later and i'm happy as shit
:D :D

[Abysalone]

I sent a freind to sunrise for 4 qts and a filter. He brought back 4 qts and what looked like a fuel filter but oilfilter size. My bike has a screw on car type filter on it. Is this a mod or is it stock?

[_____]

cool im glad you got it running too. As for the filter I THINK that it is a fram PH6017a.

[Alwayslast]

i'm glad to hear you got it running too.
ride safe

[Del La Sol 1320]

even the fram should be identical to the OEM, although i would not use FRAM... but sounds like they gave you the wrong filter, it should look exactly like the one on your bike, the color might be different but that should be it

[GaRn]

yea i would yank that fram off of there quick! they use paper endcaps that are known to break down and get particles in your oil! also their seals suck and so does the actual filter, the worst filter you can actually buy..

the cheapest i have found that is still good is STP, they are like $6 and arent the BEST filter, but are fine for me since im just breakin in my engine and change my oil rather quickly..

[_____]

no no Im not suggesting fram or sayin that is what he has on his bike but that is the onlynumber i could remember. Thought he might have been able to cross it to an STP # maybe.

[GaRn]

gotcha