JDM is getting RICE?

[Fobby]

What do you think about it?????

[ef_what?]

theres nothing wrong with it........if you can afford it then buy it. its not like its apc bullshit that you can buy anywhere. :hi:

[urvtecs2slo]

how are the answers to your poll questions at the same time? i dont understand which to pick!!!

[Crate]

funny. im the only one who voted "I dont care" =]

[Fobby]

My poll questions:
Is JDM getting Rice? Too many kids thinking it is cool to do. And not doing it right etc. JDM Geo Metro's and shit...
Is JDM fine?...... Ultra cool to have done to an american japanese car.

[Fobby]

Originally posted by Crate
funny. im the only one who voted "I dont care" =]



haha

[sexyeyez]

Originally posted by Crate
funny. im the only one who voted "I dont care" =]

check again bud

[1slowCRX]

JDM always has and always will be hot as hell.....and if you can get it then go for it

[kenbdSi]

This is what I think. The term JDM is used so much that it will become a form of rice. Dont get me wrong,but JDM done right is HOTTT. More people will go back to the old school look. Also, the price of a sr20det motor will be increase due to it becoming a more popular motor swap.

[SignfcntOthr]

Originally posted by 1slowCRX
JDM always has and always will be hot as hell.....and if you can get it then go for it

Wouldn't it suck if you had to eat your words one day?

I also don't give a rats ass about this poll.

[nickyroo]

japanese people talk funny

[TrueSlide]

whats rice is a silvia conversion kit on a honda(thats superior rice and pisses me off). JDM is cool, if you are mocking your car ex: 240sx -> silvia/180sx/sil80/strawberry face, etc. What is extreme rice is when cars tend to try and be something they are not and mix themselves with other car manufactors. A bunch of other stuff is rice but Iam not gonna mention anything cause I do not want to offend them dozens of ppl with altezzas.

[Crate]

Originally posted by sexyeyez
check again bud

at the time of my post i WAS the first =]

[OuTLaW STaR]

I heard it's getting "mainstream" and frankly I just dont care. Everytime I turn around it's JDM this and JDM that. Kill all that Yackity Shcmackity.

[Mr.2]

how about if it makes your car faster than its good. Who cares if its getting "mainstream"? Pretty much everything cool gets popular after a while. But really, who cares? Do what you want, its for you, not everyone else (unless its just rice thats so loud it hurts your ears and eyes). Do what you want. The whole import thing is pretty "mainstream"...

[Flite]

JDM is gay

[Skywalker]

Originally posted by TrueSlide
whats rice is a silvia conversion kit on a honda(thats superior rice and pisses me off). JDM is cool, if you are mocking your car ex: 240sx -> silvia/180sx/sil80/strawberry face, etc. What is extreme rice is when cars tend to try and be something they are not and mix themselves with other car manufactors. A bunch of other stuff is rice but Iam not gonna mention anything cause I do not want to offend them dozens of ppl with altezzas. I agree w/ all of this statement.

JDM is not rice, it is a fad.

I agree that Silvia conversions on Civics are stoopid. And for Honda owners, trying to be unique by going JDM is a mistake, since almost everybody is on that bandwagon. Your japanese air freshener does not make you cool. However, Crate's JDM H22 is :cool:.

On the other end of the spectrum, I think it is cool (and rare) to see other (non-Civic) cars w/ Japanese performance parts (like a WRX or 240SX). A perfect example is that guy who posted pics on here of his MR-S. Although he probably spent over $15K in parts, that shit was fucking hot.

I have bought and plan to buy most of my parts from Japan, Australia and the UK. Because they are usually equal or higher quality than the US-made equivalents, and often less expensive. Plus they are unique over here. You can see a buttload of Z's with every Stillen part ever made. But you might find two or three Z's in the US (if you search hard) sporting parts by Midori, Border, Cybercraft, Kazama or Ab-flug.

[EEK]

fuck jdm fuck usdm...like i been saying its all about having a clean lookin car...not something thats gonna LOOK like its gonna fly off the ground....also I buy jdm parts because of quailty not because its jdm yoooo..:p

[Skywalker]

Originally posted by EEK
fuck jdm fuck usdm...like i been saying its all about having a clean lookin car...not something thats gonna LOOK like its gonna fly off the ground....also I buy jdm parts because of quailty not because its jdm yoooo..:p Word. I can't wait to see John's car. And for you to trade in that Civic for a 240. :p

[Blasphemous]

JDM has always been rice IMO, unless it's parts from the Japanese equivalent like someone stated before (240sx - 180sx, Silva, etc). Mixing parts is about the gayest damn thing ever, Skyline lights on a Civic for example. I could give a fuck less... noone (to my knowledge) uses RX7 parts because it's just to damn hard to integrate into anything else, thank god.
EDIT: I did read about some Team Tek Toy member having RX7 something on his car... :rolleyes:

[Skywalker]

Originally posted by FastX7
Mixing parts is about the gayest damn thing ever, Skyline lights on a Civic for example. And this is not "JDM"; it's simply retarded; that is all.

[SignfcntOthr]

Originally posted by Skywalker
And this is not "JDM"; it's simply retarded; that is all.

[reXer]

Are parts made by Blitz and HKS considered JDM? Or only stock parts?

[shawn22]

I only use JDM Blinker Fluid and Muffler Bearings...is that rice?

:confused:

[Skywalker]

Originally posted by reXer
Are parts made by Blitz and HKS considered JDM? Or only stock parts? I think JDM includes OE and aftermarket Japanese parts.
If it was JUST stock parts that were referred to, I think it would be "J-spec". Also JDM.
As for international distribution companies like HKS, I would only consider parts to be JDM if they came from Japan.

Examples:

My car:
HKS Hiper Exhaust - USDM aftermarket
Stillen Race Pipes - USDM aftermarket
Kazama Tension Rods - JDM aftermarket
Kazama Subframe Spacers - JDM aftermarket
Skyline GT-R brakes - JDM / OEM (NISMO)

Crate's car:
H22 - JDM / OEM (J-spec)

[96Lude]

Personally I think JDM is hot if it belongs on that particular make of car, but you can always go overboard.

[Blasphemous]

Originally posted by Skywalker
I think JDM includes OE and aftermarket Japanese parts.
If it was JUST stock parts that were referred to, I think it would be "J-spec". Also JDM.
As for international distribution companies like HKS, I would only consider parts to be JDM if they came from Japan.

To me, JDM is parts that aren't readily available in the US.
Kazama, R-Magic, JIC, FEED, PanSpeed, etc

[Skywalker]

Originally posted by FastX7
To me, JDM is parts that aren't readily available in the US.
Kazama, R-Magic, JIC, FEED, PanSpeed, etc That's what I was trying to say, but also to include Japanese OE parts.

[RatedV]

In some cases Such as mine (Unfortunately) you get what is made for your car.......Most of my shit is only made in Austrailia and japan, And some in the US.......But to be clean is the ultimate goal......Civics with Silvia conversions make me sick......I look at it this way if you need nissan parts to make your honda/acura look good you should have Just bought a Nissan to begin with.....I remember an issue of "super street" That had an RB26DEt powered Supra that graced the cover....:wtf: .......I mean come on why even do it.......Just to say you did? I guess theres a little fame to it but what ever......As for JDM VS. j-SPEC

JDM= Japanese Domestic Manufacturer, (Keyword..MANUFACTURER)

They manufacter parts.......

j-SPEC= Japanese Specific.......(Keyword..SPECIFIC)

j-Specific to that car only......

Just my oppinion...

Rice is gonna be what anyone calls something on an import that they dont particularly like it cant be decided by a poll.....Its all about what you like and how you percieve what your looking at......not what brand is rice....I hate the gay aluminum shopping cart wings, but thats just my oppinion.....i call it rice but that doesnt mean it really is...Theres a hundred more people out there who like them......(No offense to the owners of these eyesore monstousitys.......)

[Flite]

I have a JDM B16 in my CRX and a few little JDM sprinklings on my S2000. I still think JDM is gay on USDM cars. It's not nesassarily better, just different. Anyone who says GT style wings are gay and JDM style is cool is just stupid too. GT style wings are bigger in Japan than anywhere else.

[RatedV]

Its impossible to call it....

[IC x Prince]

Originally posted by EEK
fuck jdm fuck usdm...like i been saying its all about having a clean lookin car...not something thats gonna LOOK like its gonna fly off the ground....also I buy jdm parts because of quailty not because its jdm yoooo..:p

I agree...and i have quality altezza tail lights, so I am keeping them.

[RatedV]

Originally posted by Ultraprince
I agree...and i have quality altezza tail lights, so I am keeping them.

Thats why you cant call anything rice ........cause its gonna piss someone off....

[Skywalker]

Originally posted by VTECnology
GT style wings are bigger in Japan than anywhere else. Yes, but they are on cars there for a purpose. On every Japanese drift video I've seen, all of the badass RWD Nissans have the wings on them. But those are real race cars, not your plethora of weak Honda Civics scouring the VA highways.

[Blasphemous]

Originally posted by Skywalker
Yes, but they are on cars there for a purpose. On every Japanese drift video I've seen, all of the badass RWD Nissans have the wings on them. But those are real race cars, not your plethora of weak Honda Civics scouring the VA highways.
None of the cars in Okinawa had wings... not even stock wings. So, I don't knwo where this idea of "drift style" wings came from. I've heard it around a few times, not making accusations.

[Skywalker]

Originally posted by FastX7
None of the cars in Okinawa had wings... not even stock wings. So, I don't knwo where this idea of "drift style" wings came from. I've heard it around a few times, not making accusations. I've seen three drifting videos (not sure of the titles cuz they were in Japanese). But all of the cars (mostly Skylines and 240's) had gay wings on them. I assumed it was the norm there, especially since all of the Japanese cars in the ricer mags have them too. My fault; my statement was an assumption based on observation. I have never been to Japan.

[Blasphemous]

Originally posted by Skywalker
I've seen three drifting videos (not sure of the titles cuz they were in Japanese). But all of the cars (mostly Skylines and 240's) had gay wings on them. I assumed it was the norm there, especially since all of the Japanese cars in the ricer mags have them too. My fault; my statement was an assumption based on observation. I have never been to Japan.
I'm just saying in Okinawa, that's how it was. The mainland is very different, everyone will say that.
My views of "JDM" are a bit skewed from only seeing one part of it. I can't stand though when the ricers out at P-town or whereever talk about "drift style" and all that crap. There is no "drift style", you just do it. I've heard references to things such as a "drift style" exhaust. WTF is that? I'd like to be enlightened. There's no one style of anything the drifters used over there. I should know, I ran around with a few Japanese guys and drifted now and then. I don't usually brag about it, but for fuck's sake... I wish people would get the hell over it and do their own thing. FWD cars can't drift, that's another thing that is really upsetting. That's my opinion, tell me I'm wrong all you want. FWD's just ass-drag around corners, RWD/AWD are the only cars capable of drifting.

[Skywalker]

LMAO @ Aaron.

I have no idea what "drift style" is either.
As for the ricers, they never knew what drifting was until they saw Initial D. I have yet to see that, but it seems to have made kids in Civics think they can drift; just like F&F made them all show up to the parking lot in the first place.
To the best of my knowledge and understanding of drifting, it is not achieved in FWD cars. I know for a fact that there were NO FWD cars in the videos I have seen.
I don't know that much about it though. The only times I have "drifted", it was unintentional. :)

[Blasphemous]

Drifting isn't a fast way around the track either, it's just for fun. It's more of a show of skill than anything. There's also idiots that do it where they shouldn't. Where we drifted it was a very controlled environment. Industrial section, started at 11pm, only one way to get in/out, un-written/spoken agreement w/ the Police, and had 2-3 "spotters" at the main corner.

[Flite]

Those wings are pointless 90% of the time on those drift cars too. Most Drift events are done at or below 50 mph. Those wings really aren't doing much. I think it's ironic that people say those wings are functional on drift cars. have you ever seen a drift setup? They run bald narrow tires in the back and big stickies in the front. Those wings are designed to increase down force in the rear of the car in turn adding traction, just the opposite of a typical drift setup. The ONLY time when those wings would serve a purpose is on a true race car that is designed NOT to drift.

Also, let's not get another thread discussing what is and what isn't drifting.

[GreyGT-C]

Originally posted by VTECnology
. Those wings are designed to increase down force in the rear of the car in turn adding traction, just the opposite of a typical drift setup. The ONLY time when those wings would serve a purpose is on a true race car that is designed NOT to drift.

.



Yeah...what he said. :beer:

[Skywalker]

Originally posted by VTECnology
I think it's ironic that people say those wings are functional on drift cars. have you ever seen a drift setup? They run bald narrow tires in the back and big stickies in the front. Those wings are designed to increase down force in the rear of the car in turn adding traction, just the opposite of a typical drift setup. The ONLY time when those wings would serve a purpose is on a true race car that is designed NOT to drift.Interesting. That's pretty much what I was thinking to myself. But I was just stating what I've seen; not what I know (which isn't much, on this topic).

[RatedV]

want rice? Buy a 92 civic coupe put an alluminum wing, 19 inch crome lexani's from an SUV, put a monza muffler tip on it, put some laser tag windshield squirters, an electronic BOV sound maker from (whoever makes it) An underbody neon kit, Seat covers from wal-mart and a steering wheel cover, then cover your car in type-R stickers and put a fire-extinguisher on the pillar so if your car catches on fire you can put it out, then put some hyper-white foglights in the oddest place on your car you can find and mount them crooked, top that off by playing the fast and the furious sound track every where you go with your windows rolled down even on the coldest day of the year, and stare at anyones car that looks clean like its a piece of shit and rev your motor.......Thats rice........(forgot to put in there to talk about how fast you are and then get smoked by a Dodge caravan)

[RoTarY13BT]

there is no possible way that a FWD car can really drift. u only see RWD and AWD cars drifting because the power is put down at the rear wheels and the slide is controlled with the front wheels. on the other hand, FWD cars put power to the ground and control the car with the front wheels, therefore overcorrecting yourself every time you try and break loose. you also dont need gobs of power to drift. im not some ameatuer ricer, i am a drifter.

[RatedV]

Originally posted by RoTarY13BT
there is no possible way that a FWD car can really drift. u only see RWD and AWD cars drifting because the power is put down at the rear wheels and the slide is controlled with the front wheels. on the other hand, FWD cars put power to the ground and control the car with the front wheels, therefore overcorrecting yourself every time you try and break loose. you also dont need gobs of power to drift. im not some ameatuer ricer, i am a drifter.

Tell that to LightninD .......I've been in the car when he did it.......(In a front wheel< Accord>) its a good Auto-X'er.....

[chad]

people have just misconcepted the difference between JDM and a "clean look" ... also noticed people who paint their wheels are like yeah my jdm gunmetal wheels ... theres a HUGE Misconception on CLEAN and JDM ... you want to see JDM ... oh just wait ... its coming :)

[nickyroo]

sr20det is soo rice. jdm is for losers. k-series baby oh yeah. :rolleyes:

[drifter]

i have JDM spark plugs :cool:

[Fobby]

Originally posted by drifter
i have JDM spark plugs :cool:

haha

[sideways]

back on the wings for drifters subject...I've noticed a lot of the cars in the drift video's just have wing posts on their rears. They probably rock huge wings on the street and have enough sense to take them off when they drift. If you think about it, theres probably a lot of ricers in Japan too...they're not all perfect, they just have better cars from the factory.

[sideways]

oh and for the jdm thing...america and japan is really unbalanced. 90% of americas jdm cars are civic hatchback's...most of the kids in japan could give a crap about a civic, it's nissan, toyota, mazda over there.
and if anyones ever wondered why they've never seen a jdm eclipse, it's because they don't exist in japan

[Shomi]

I hate how the word "JDM" is misused, people with clean looking cars think their car is JDM. I'm gonna vomit if i ever see someone with someone tenzo parts calling their car jdm, not downing tenzo or anything.

[TASH]

no ones car is jdm if it isnt rhd so dont ever say my car is jdm unless its rhd..maybe u have jdm parts but thats it

[RatedV]

Originally posted by zZLudeZz
sr20det is soo rice. jdm is for losers. k-series baby oh yeah. :rolleyes:

K-series is good but how yo gonna say a whole engine is rice? Ill put my SR20DE-T up against your built Ka24 any day.....hell for that matter ill put my VG30E (Original motor) and own you......You must be letting that honda seep a lil too far into your brain.....If you own and like your "89" dont bash another nissan, especially one built with the idea of JGT championships......As for the K-series i believe they have a lot of torq and potential, Thanx for not callin my motor rice as i could call yours a Hardbody motor.....
(if that was sarcasm I appologize ahead of time)

[EEK]

Originally posted by TASH
no ones car is jdm if it isnt rhd so dont ever say my car is jdm unless its rhd..maybe u have jdm parts but thats it


thats why i say "jdm style"

[sideways]

shinobi--- is that your car at the bottom of your post? If so, it looks awesome, do you have any more(or bigger) pics?

[RatedV]

http://www.dragva.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53&perpage=15&pagenumber=10

[soulDistortion]

Originally posted by sideways
back on the wings for drifters subject...I've noticed a lot of the cars in the drift video's just have wing posts on their rears. They probably rock huge wings on the street and have enough sense to take them off when they drift.

To elaborate more; I've always taken "drifter style" in Japan to mean "I don't care if it gets fucked up".

The reality is drifting is pretty harsh on a car, and only the more seasoned drifters (or people with stupid amounts of money) will use nicer things.

Drift wings (if you can call them that; it's a bit of an oxymoron) as per actual drifters are just ones they slapped on to give a little style for cheap. From the wangan wings to the aluminum wings, drifters pretty much recycle the used stuff that fell out of favor with the highway battle crowd.


If you think about it, theres probably a lot of ricers in Japan too...they're not all perfect, they just have better cars from the factory.

Amen to that.

And to paraphrase what TASH said; it's irritating as fuck when people call their cars "JDM". Unless your car was bought in Japan, it's not JDM. Even if you do a RHD swap, it still ain't JDM. JDM-style, yeah. JDM-look, yeah. JDM... no.

That word is played out anyways. Maybe I should do a car up "bosozoku" style or "v.i.p." style and rock that. Sure, it'll look gay as hell, but it would be "JDM", wouldn't it?

[Mr.2]

how about this: i have my own style and jdm power:p

[2fst4u]

if ur going to be jdm u have to do it right

[Lazarus]

Mitsubishi's JDM isn't Rice. I am not sure about the other manufacturers

[eg6_bryan]

delete jesus christ

[The real Ryan]

HOLY SHIT

[blah]

This HAS to be some sort of record.

[1slowxr4ti]

careless about JDM.

[Israel]

This HAS to be some sort of record.

LOL i think it is

jesus wtf was this dumb fuck thinking?

This has to be proof Central is full of Retards with exception of a select few

[JROW]

I like rice, and I agree japanese people talk funny.

[JROW]

i dont think jdm is rice, but some like to take some jdm things, and turn it into rice, like some people in the ek squad or w/e use the hatch lifters that turn a nice ctr wing into a APC pepboys POS looking wing...


Wait, so you bumped a 5yo thread?

If so you're rice...wow.

[Flite]

2003? How'd you do that? Heck, I'm not even mad; that's amazing. How 'bout we get you in your p.j.'s and we hit the hay.

[Vanilla Face]

-neg rep

[Thurm@n]

lool

[droptoprx7]

i dont think jdm is rice, but some like to take some jdm things, and turn it into rice, like some people in the ek squad or w/e use the hatch lifters that turn a nice ctr wing into a APC pepboys POS looking wing...



damn old ass thread god damn dragva thread


hit yourself in the head hard and forget your password

[_crs]

I think that "JDM STYLE" and JDM is diffrent. If you buy "JDM STYLE" then its not JDM. and wow... 03

[mobxseb]

jdm > all

[Show Pow]

imma bump this thread after another 6 years

[WishIHadaSilvia]

I was in high school when this thread was made.....now I'm out of college as of 07 and 09 is right around the corner.


History in the making.

[Flite]

I was a good for nothing E5 dating anything with a vagina, driving my first S2000, and living with 2 roomates in a shitty house we rented.

Now I'm almost nearly 30, an E6 instructing "A" school, married with a 3 1/2 year old, driving my second S2000 after 5 other cars, and living in a house my wife and I bought recently.


astonishing...

[Subie2Honda]

In some cases Such as mine (Unfortunately) you get what is made for your car.......Most of my shit is only made in Austrailia and japan, And some in the US.......But to be clean is the ultimate goal......Civics with Silvia conversions make me sick......I look at it this way if you need nissan parts to make your honda/acura look good you should have Just bought a Nissan to begin with.....I remember an issue of "super street" That had an RB26DEt powered Supra that graced the cover....:wtf: .......I mean come on why even do it.......Just to say you did? I guess theres a little fame to it but what ever......As for JDM VS. j-SPEC

JDM= Japanese Domestic Manufacturer, (Keyword..MANUFACTURER)

They manufacter parts.......

j-SPEC= Japanese Specific.......(Keyword..SPECIFIC)

j-Specific to that car only......

Just my oppinion...

Rice is gonna be what anyone calls something on an import that they dont particularly like it cant be decided by a poll.....Its all about what you like and how you percieve what your looking at......not what brand is rice....I hate the gay aluminum shopping cart wings, but thats just my oppinion.....i call it rice but that doesnt mean it really is...Theres a hundred more people out there who like them......(No offense to the owners of these eyesore monstousitys.......)


Hahaha JDM means "Japanese Domestic Market", actually.....so, technically you could possess a JDM Nintendo Wii if you wanted to. LAWLZ

[Flite]

Hahaha JDM means "Japanese Domestic Market", actually.....so, technically you could possess a JDM Nintendo Wii if you wanted to. LAWLZ

You done missed the point....

[max671]

lawlz that someone is still trying to discuss the thread topic almost six years later

[eg6_bryan]

Wait, so you bumped a 5yo thread?

If so you're rice...wow.

i never realized it was a 5yr old thread, i just thought id add my 2 cents. and i never bumped this pointless thread lol

[Israel]

I was in high school when this thread was made.....now I'm out of college as of 07 and 09 is right around the corner.


History in the making.

I was still just lurking the site and driving a hyundai

[Donkey Punch]

Apparently EVERYTHING to a ricer is JDM.

So its tyte yo.


Real shit>fake shit.

[kibbles]

yeah jdm is being taken way to far these days.

[lilevil]

it's all about personal choices I rather spend the money on performance instead of paying a lot of $$ for parts that i can can get here in the states for a lot less.

[Silverbullet86]

hmm. looks like i voted 6 years ago.

[Donkey Punch]

oh god damn this thread was made when I was in boot camp.


GOD DAMN.

[ForcedFedTeg]

this thread makes me feel old as fuck, i was about to finish my senior year in high school when it was made.

[Cr33pin]

if you feel like you need a jdm ash tray to make you happy get one, if you feel like you need a agressive bodykit an 4 foot tall wing get you one. at the end of the if you think your car is nice thats all that matters.

[ravenracer]

JDM Land lol

[anti-derivative]

jdm!!! yay!!

[Scoutn757]

yeah jdm is being taken way to far these days.


it's all about personal choices I rather spend the money on performance instead of paying a lot of $$ for parts that i can can get here in the states for a lot less.

and of course its the two newbs that come in here and try to make a statement

[Fobby]

damn this is an old thread i started lol

[EFchulo]

JDM is the best :cool:

[8====D]

well if JDM does turn rice then whats next?? RDM Russian Domestic Market? http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa248/Brokenhero1985/800px-Car_Lada_russian.jpg

MAD RDM Fresh yo!

[JROW]

Time for this thread to hibernate for another 6 years.

[lanceballowe]

I'll say this right now.
I think that JDM isn't even looked at properly.
The badges that are on cars that us americans think are cool and hip and down with JDM are looked down upon in Japan.
Example : The soshinoya badges in japan mean you're a new driver but who doesn't know that? what you guys with your badges on your "JDM cars" don't know is that here it's cool and in japan it means you're just a noob that don't know shit, as well as the other badge that means elderly driver, they think you shouldn't be driving. But that doesn't look like the case here.
JDM's the shit, and people should start reppin' it wayyyyy differently.

[j4k3]

I'll say this right now.
I think that JDM isn't even looked at properly.
The badges that are on cars that us americans think are cool and hip and down with JDM are looked down upon in Japan.
Example : The soshinoya badges in japan mean you're a new driver but who doesn't know that? what you guys with your badges on your "JDM cars" don't know is that here it's cool and in japan it means you're just a noob that don't know shit, as well as the other badge that means elderly driver, they think you shouldn't be driving. But that doesn't look like the case here.
JDM's the shit, and people should start reppin' it wayyyyy differently.

You have to be shitting me. Nobody gives a fuck what you think.


-rep!

[Blindside]

Thread was made in 03'



03

[s2katin]

I must agree, it is getting played out pretty bad, but just like anything else.

[ShawnD]

And that ***** has been lurking since nov, IP check? lolol