Horrible Experience w/ Pro-Motion Tuning in VA

[MorrisMtrsports]

Hey everyone i have contomplated posting this on forums to keep face with this company , as i am sure once this is seen by them things would get even worse. This is not a bashing post but i am going to explain in DETAIL what happened. Pro Motion Tuning has every right to post on here. I am hopeing they will resolve these problems before further action has to be taken. Please do not bash this company however take this as a learning expierience as i have.

Sept. 31 Pro Motion offers to do a Sponsorship build on our shop Evo 8. This is when i dropped off the car.

This was supposed to be a SEMA Build and PRI show build.

Work to be done free of charge:
3" Intercooler Piping
Motor build-valvetrain (Ferrea dual valve springs and retainers)
Fuel Setup 1 external inline fuel pump and our fuel setup. incl. FPR

*****ALL Parts were being supplied by myself and other sponsors.

I dropped off rods and pistons and head components when i dropped the car off. I was told that the parts I got were not good enough. I told them i dont care i just want them in the car. I had asked for them to after the motor was out to get a list of fittings and length of fuel hose i will need to ask for from my sponsors to send us.

The good, hopeing that i would have the car finished in time for SEMA was a huge consern and they had let me know it was NOT going to be a problem.

THE BAD-
After pulling the motor out i was notified because they got another vehicle to do work on they no longer have the funds to do the free labor on the build and asked me to pay for it with a reduction in price.(about half off)
I was a little short on the fact of getting the car done on time, i swollowed it and said i would pay for it. They in turn allowed me to pay after the vehicle was done over a set time frame. I agreed to this because i had no spare time to have my shop to the work. I wasnt happy seeing as i could have done the entire build through myself if need be. upon the dissassembly putting the bearings in were a problem do to the rods manufacturers bearing requirements(they were wrong). After the motor was dissassembled and laying out, now reaching about 2 weeks they had the tech that was working on the vehicle leave the business for personal reasons. I have NO idea who put the motor back together, one of there techs said they did, they say the machine shop did. Originally when i dropped off the car i had given special instructions on what to do with my aftermarket parts that were already on the vehicle that i did not need , as most of them were sold already to friends and clients both on this forum and other evo friends. I had given them a special tool to remove the aftermarket wheels.

After one of the Techs pulled my gf aside, they started telling her i am a liar, my shop is not a REAL shop and that he had installed the motor and had no idea what he was doing. AND they insisted that i kept giving them the WRONG parts.

To shorten up this story a little bit here is the outcome:
when they called me finally to tell me the car was finished, i frantically ran over to VA from MD in great excitement hopeing the car was finished....AFTER not meeting the SEMA deadline. As i called my tuner to meet me over there. We got there around 3pm, the car was nowhere close to being finished.....As we waited around myself and the tuner (who wishes not to have his name shown) start working on the car ourselves, we dont have time to sit around and twittle our thumbs. We started getting the car together and upon 11pm i called it a nite and left. While they were tuning it the tuner noticed the ignition timing was off i believe 5degrees. He had told Promotion to check the crank and cam sensor and the timing belt to make sure it was correct. Promotion says it was checked. Then we had gone back 3 days later trying to work around the tuners schedule. The car was not finished, AGAIN. I brought the 6 gallons of race gas with me for tuning. Timing was still wrong. The tuner looks at the timing belt......Tells them the Timing belt is off ONE tooth. They check it again, check the sensors again. We are now around Nov. 5. over a month later.

After me driving back and forth over 10 times(90 miles one way) sometime around Nov 10-15th i get a call that the car is ready, again, i hesitate, take my time then head down. The car is not finished, but they do finish it while i wait for 4 hours again. The car starts! I hear the loud exhaust in the background! It shuts off ubruptly. they tell me the car isnt running right and they have no idea what it is. They think the tensioner pulley on the timing belt went bad, i inspect......the pulley was way over tightened and stripped the head of the bolt. And then they tell me the Tensioner failed, then they dont really know, the tensioner had less than 5k miles on it. I go home and get a used tensioner from a good frine with less than 500 miles on it. Then return the next nite. the car isnt finished. I had had enough. I raised my voice and told them to stop wasting my time tell them what theere tech had blown up on me. They then say hold on brb , they tell me so many times "my techs are tired of working on your car and dont want to work on it" owner james comes back, "dude we have a problem" shows me a shop rag, with 4 lifters, dude the timing belt jumped 7 teeth. Detramental motor damage.

The outcome:
They pull the head , all the valves are broken clean off the exhuast side all brand new piston as destroyed, the bore job i payed for is gone due to 2 valves dropping in the cylinders and scratching up the motor and 4 rocker arms are destroyed. That would be about 1500$ -2k of damage to all brand new parts.
I leave, 2 weeks later descide i NEED to get my car out of that shop. I finally call a tow truck and pay 500 dollars to have the car towed out . I make sure to tell them ALL parts of mine are in the car and that all the motor parts are BAGGED in trash bags and parts are kept organized......This is what i get from doing business with them......

Upon recieving my vehicle:
Race gas is GONE! i get an empty bottle back.
The head is in the trunk including an oil pan with 2 qts of oil sitting back there with my rods and pistons in the trunk.-OIL all over my trunk and rear seat, a ton of parts are missing.
I get a huge BOX of nuts and bolts and my old parts.
My uicp that i had sold was chopped up so they could use it to "make my new licp" which shouldnt have happened.
MISSING the following parts: aftermarket ignition wires, race gas, 4 lifters, 5 rocker arms, stolen/missing cds out of my car, fittings that my sponsors gave me, extra SS braided fuel line that was left over(est. 10ft or more), tbolt clamps i payed for, my lug nut remover for my wheels, and more.

Damage done to vehicle: UICP was destroyed , paint damage from people rubbing there hands across all the dirt to write, "this car sucks."
The front wheels were installed with over 300ft lbs of torque!!! And the lugs were rounded so i cant get them off. My wheels paint was scratched up.(will have pics tomorrow)

As far as what i am being charged for: misinstallation of the timing belt (removal 3 times.) the labor, machine shop, them breaking the tob and me paying for them to remove tranny 2 times. they REFUSED to install any more parts after the car blew up and told me to pick it up and get it out of there shop. They complained theyve spent too much money and time on this car.........1500.00 just for there labor, not to mention my parts cost i payed for , LOST SPONSORSHIPS ($4k in parts) because i missed 2 photo shooots and SEMA. And 3 months not having a vehicle.

I hope that Promotion Tuning will resolve all of these issues, im sure i left some stuff out, and im sure if or when they see this i will really be in legal battles with them and they will come after me. But i do not believe this is what should of happened. I hope this can be resolved ASAP and i will post on updates as to what they plan on doing to resolve this issue, but so far i have notn gotten returned phone calls and they are blowing me off. Maybe this will be a wake up call?

Sorry for such a long post everyone. I will post pics of damage tomorrow after i upload them tonight. Please be wary of Pro Motion Tuning, good guys, just really bad ethics , workmanship , and customer service. I know im another shop but i still payed for the work. That makes me a customer.

To Pro motion if you feel any of this is wrong we can talk and i will change it.

Thanks everyone for listening.

Jey Morris
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[hwsurnk]

Wow sorry to hear man..good luck getting anything from james trust me i know first hand how he works and its not pretty

[tatmonster]

holy shit man. TERRIBLE experience, and thats alot of resolving they have ahead of them lol. gl with everything that you have to do to get this right man.

[sidewaysil80]

wow, sounds like autoworks in chesapeake. damn , shops like these piss me off, i tell ya, ive never heard or seen so many piece of shit, un reliable , overall scumbag shops as there are in virginia. maybe two i can think of that are respectable. im sorry to hear that, small claims court.thats my suggestion

[Jay]

Wow, what a piece of shit garage.

I say garage instead of performance shop because a shop actually has competent techs.

Not to mention the extemely UNPROFESSIONAL customer service. The customer is ALWAYS right, even if they are dicks about it. Hell, after what you went through, I'm surprised you're this calm.

Take pictures, get a lawyer, make them go out of business. They don't need to be destroying more cars.

[fobcivicracer]

damn man....sorry to hear that...and losing sponsorship?? man oh man...good luck with getting everything back together....thats y i always go to b&t motorsports...they do a great job on cars

[MAD_DOHC]

Take pictures, get a lawyer, make them go out of business. They don't need to be destroying more cars.

Exactly.

[P5errington]

AGAIN!!! Wonder how long this thread will stay up before it gets ugly? This has got to be the 6th or 7th complaint in as many months about Pro-motion, and all the threads get removed. If people actually can use this forum for what its intended ie...(positive and negative input) maybe they could get a hint what this place is about and stay away.
How long can the owner of this place put the blame on the customer?
Alot of people lost money and got screwed over here, and not once has JAMES took accountability. He can cross over to other forums and claim to be to professional to entertain these matters?
Looks like its getting worse now. Hopefully this will be the last.

[EvOzRally7]

Man all in a nut shell. Sorry to hear and witness first hand send me a PM dude I was there a couple of tymes when shit was going wrong on your car. I tried to give input on somethings I saw going wrong at the tyme with your car but the Garage (LOL I like that) owner and techs ignored it. Now he will try and say Im bashing him b/c of friends, but not true a VERY GOOD friend of mine was the tuner (no names mentioned). I was there to help him if needed so his part of the job will go clean with no interruptions. If I saw something shady that he missed I said something to him and those who needed to know. But hope everything goes well dude keep me informed please and if you need anything. PM me so I can give you my number I may have USEFUL info that may help you out or just something you would like to know.

[dorifto83]

wow, thanks for the heads up, and like VR-4ever said, put them out of business. Good luck to you

[walker111]

Unfortunately nothing will be resolved until someone stands up and fights(legally) against the shop. I have heard absolutey nothing but bad things about this shithole place. Its time for all the people that have gotten screwed to do something about it.

Brauning Motorsports is a good place to get work done. If you want to drve a ways there is an AMAZING shop right across the border of NC in SC.

[HighPSI TSi Guy]

Unfortunately I don't have time to fill in the blanks. I'm not saying everything he said was a lie, but there is a lot left out. I'll get to it later, as i'm in a hurry to be somewhere right now. For now, here's some history on morris-motorsports:

http://forums.dcevoclub.com/showthread.php?t=4948

it's only fair.

[EvOzRally7]

Dave what was the point of posting that? I read the whole thing. Jey worked it out. Im not taking up for Jey and I don't even know the guy. But in all farness if that was a stab at Jey you were dead on. But at MM whatever his shops name is, had nothing to do with that post. The guy posted his arguement like 4 months ago for ONE, TWO, they must have worked it out where as the guy is happy with the situation, got his parts back and is probably riding his 50trim to the fullest (from what he said he was gonna do instead of the 20G).

Now for this situation what was resolved?

[z31kid]

this situation is kinda messed up if u ask me. Pro-Motion failed to meet their customer needs and the promises they made to customer. They didnt follow thru with anything at all. They returned his car to him in a way he did not give it to them. Which in turn gives Pro-Motion a bad name. Ive heard good and bad things about the shop and i know ppl personally that have had their cars done there but the fact of the matter is that they fucked up somebodys car

[Boost609]

Sorry to hear. They will never have my business.

[ProMotionTuning]

Due to the number of forums Jey Morris of Morris Motorsports has posted this exact message, as a shop I have opted to respond to the situation on one forum. This will prevent this thread from being closed for flame warring and allow us to deal directly with our customer on one forum versus multiple forums.

Please see the link below as we have posted an offical response to Jey's issues and concerns:

DC Evo Club Forum Link (http://forums.dcevoclub.com/showthread.php?t=5956)

Thanks
James Howard

[Verbal]

Damn, welcome to VA. Best of luck...figuring out whats bullshit and what isn't it.

*edit*
After reading all that BS...if you assembled the motor and it blew on the dyno, wouldn't that be your fault? Is that why the tech quit...he knew he fucked something up?
One other question for Pro-Motion, how does a throw out bearing go bad while the car was sitting? Parts cleaner maybe? Bad install..?

[Verbal]

To morrismotorsports.

How do you expect to lie about having a shop, then have people support you? You might have had a case, if you weren't such a BS'er


I'm curious as to what happens....

[MorrisMtrsports]

LOL ok let me set this one set straight.


Morris Motorsports and there "Shop"

P.S.-You dont win an arguement by bringing someone else down. The fact that i started out at my families house doesnt matter. Not all of us are fortunate to have family and friends to help support our business venture. Every business has to start any way they can, and where i am at this point in my investment in opening my shop is none of Promotion's business nor does it have anything to do with the matter at hand. I do honest business and the fact that i dont have a "garage" does not change the fact that i got screwed over by a shop who obviously does not pride themselves in customer service and workmanship.

Jey Morris

[BlueHatch00]

Is that why the tech quit...he knew he fucked something up?

Just to clear things up. I am the tech that quit i assembled the short block (crank rods and piston) did not put head on motor. I have assebled plenty of motors over time. even my own 800whp+ without any issues. I quit for other reasons...

Chris

[Lord_Vegeta]

Wow! I just read both sides of the story and this is tricky....I mean feel where the customer is coming from but I also feel where the shop is coming from. The question is "Who is liable though"??

[MorrisMtrsports]

Update: After working on the Evo today here is what we have.....

1. The wheels as stated were overtightened. (basically someone stood on the lugs .) Promotion since saying did not use the special lug remover i gave them upon dropping of my car.(since have lost it) used a 17mm socket to put them on. Stripped the lug pattern and we checked after trying to uninstall them once torque was OVER 250ft/lbs. As checked with a torque wrench. We as of working on trying to get them off have tried the following.....since u CANT use a 17mm socket on lugs that are special fitment size not allowing a regular size to be used we had to first try an impact gun and Craftsmen Loc Outs to remove them. This did not work except we did manage to break2 of them. We used huge amounts of penatrating spray on the lugs where we could get it into to aid in the help.
This is what i get for having promotion not follow directions and do it whatever way they felt like. Then again after being frustrated at the car, and myself and my shop as they show in there posting.....this is what i got for it......Notice the paint damage, thread damage?
Now the wheel must be dissasembled by pulling the control arms off the suspension off, all while the wheel is ON the car! Then i have to take both front wheel assemblies to the machine shop to have the studs DRILLED out of my 2500.00 wheels! At the cost of between 400 and 500 bucks.


This is the culprit of the oil damage done to the interior of the trunk and paint damage done to the rear trunk cage.......(oil pan 1.5 qts full and new damaged pistons.)

And last but not least.....the BOX , after specifically telling them to be careful with the parts and everything was to be carfully placed individually and kept organized and trash bagged in the car this is how i got all my nuts, bolts, and brand new parts put in my back seat. Again with oil all over the rear seat.


BUT WAIT, just like a poor infomercial THERE IS MORE!
As i am trying to dissasemble the whole wheel assembly on the pass side under the car i look up......The main oil line to the filter is CUT, not RIPPED but CUT from something......you can see it in the last pic.

Now shop or not, would u want this crap to happen to your car? Yeah Promotion you just keep bashing me. Because every day i work on our shop Evo.....Is another day your giving me to find one more thing wrong with your workmanship. Do you think they told me about this? Nope they didnt. Yet something else they failed to mention.

People think i should be held accountable for this stuff? ....Yeah i dont think so.

Jey Morris

[MorrisMtrsports]

If i didnt have to pay out almost 8 k for this entire mishap paying for my lawyer to contact them would be really easy.

But then again SOMETHING was messed up and Promotion knew it, as James stated......"we knew this was coming"

Jey Morris

[ProMotionTuning]

Damn, welcome to VA. Best of luck...figuring out whats bullshit and what isn't it.

*edit*
After reading all that BS...if you assembled the motor and it blew on the dyno, wouldn't that be your fault? Is that why the tech quit...he knew he fucked something up?
One other question for Pro-Motion, how does a throw out bearing go bad while the car was sitting? Parts cleaner maybe? Bad install..?

Sir:
The reasons for the tech quitting, as mentioned in this theard, were for other reasons, definitely not this engine build nor the evo project at all. Chris's work was double checked before the motor was assembled. Also the damage was done to the head and not because of bottom end assembly. Chris is in no way reliable for the engine failure. The engine failure has been concluded to be because of a failed tensioner.

In regards to the throwout bearing. When you purchase a clutch, the clutch will usually come with a new TO Bearing. Since the customer was NOT replacing the clutch, it was simply being removed to send the motor to the machine shop, no bearing was provided. I am not the tech but to my knowledge you cannot determine if a TO Bearing is bad or not before installing it. The bearings on the Evos can easily be damaged upon removing them from the Clutch fork without knowledge to the installer. This is why every shop I am aware of suggests to replace the TO Bearing at the time of install. My shop personally has done 5 Evo CLutch installs within the last 45 days and no customer had a concern of getting a $52 Mitsubishi OEM part except Jey Morris. This is understood when he couldnt afford the $90 bearings for the Mains and Rods...

I have tried to keep all posts to Jey directly on DCEVOClub.com.... as its apparent he likes to cut and paste to every forum to get his words seen instead of trying to resolve the issue.

Thanks
James

[HighPSI TSi Guy]

Dave what was the point of posting that? I read the whole thing. Jey worked it out. Im not taking up for Jey and I don't even know the guy. But in all farness if that was a stab at Jey you were dead on. But at MM whatever his shops name is, had nothing to do with that post. The guy posted his arguement like 4 months ago for ONE, TWO, they must have worked it out where as the guy is happy with the situation, got his parts back and is probably riding his 50trim to the fullest (from what he said he was gonna do instead of the 20G).

Now for this situation what was resolved?

The point was that everyone was commenting without knowing the full story. Again, I'm not calling him a liar necessarily, just stating there are things that were conveniently left out. I am not an employee and am only a friend of the employees, thus I remain neutral, and as a non-employee it is not my place at all to get in the middle of this. I only know the parts that I witnessed, while I was there to tune other cars. and to exchange tools/parts with people. The issues are between Jey and the shop, and do not have anything to do with me. I am just leveling the field a bit and giving everyone a heads up on what Jey is all about. Again, while I am a friend and business partner to the shop, I had nothing to do with jey's car so it is a matter that does not concern me, it is between the shop and jey. I cannot comment or take a side on what I did not witness. I will leave that to the techs that worked on the car, as they are perfectly capable of telling their side if they feel the need to do so.

However, I feel it is important in any case such as this that people fully know both sides of the story. People outside of the DC area DSM community aren't really familiar with how jey works and how he is a con-artist.

[Blown]

Update: After working on the Evo today here is what we have.....

1. The wheels as stated were overtightened. (basically someone stood on the lugs .) Promotion since saying did not use the special lug remover i gave them upon dropping of my car.(since have lost it) used a 17mm socket to put them on. Stripped the lug pattern and we checked after trying to uninstall them once torque was OVER 250ft/lbs. As checked with a torque wrench. We as of working on trying to get them off have tried the following.....since u CANT use a 17mm socket on lugs that are special fitment size not allowing a regular size to be used we had to first try an impact gun and Craftsmen Loc Outs to remove them. This did not work except we did manage to break2 of them. We used huge amounts of penatrating spray on the lugs where we could get it into to aid in the help.
This is what i get for having promotion not follow directions and do it whatever way they felt like. Then again after being frustrated at the car, and myself and my shop as they show in there posting.....this is what i got for it......Notice the paint damage, thread damage?
Now the wheel must be dissasembled by pulling the control arms off the suspension off, all while the wheel is ON the car! Then i have to take both front wheel assemblies to the machine shop to have the studs DRILLED out of my 2500.00 wheels! At the cost of between 400 and 500 bucks.


This is the culprit of the oil damage done to the interior of the trunk and paint damage done to the rear trunk cage.......(oil pan 1.5 qts full and new damaged pistons.)

And last but not least.....the BOX , after specifically telling them to be careful with the parts and everything was to be carfully placed individually and kept organized and trash bagged in the car this is how i got all my nuts, bolts, and brand new parts put in my back seat. Again with oil all over the rear seat.


BUT WAIT, just like a poor infomercial THERE IS MORE!
As i am trying to dissasemble the whole wheel assembly on the pass side under the car i look up......The main oil line to the filter is CUT, not RIPPED but CUT from something......you can see it in the last pic.

Now shop or not, would u want this crap to happen to your car? Yeah Promotion you just keep bashing me. Because every day i work on our shop Evo.....Is another day your giving me to find one more thing wrong with your workmanship. Do you think they told me about this? Nope they didnt. Yet something else they failed to mention.

People think i should be held accountable for this stuff? ....Yeah i dont think so.

Jey Morris

...your car is blue, the car in those pictures is red.

[Excel Auto]

personally, i think both sides sound sketchy. mainly poor communication to begin with. of course everyones going to try to cover their ass, but neither of their storys match, and both of you aren't arguing over the same points, or at least the ones that matter, or ones you can do something about.

i've been a general manager of a body shop for a while now, and i've had a run in with customers that claim poor service and all that shit. and yea, i can make it sound pretty damn good on my behalf. which, pro-motions response sounds like.

its not my place to say if they really are bad or not, i've never had an experiance with them. but sounds like things were going wrong from the get go, from BOTH sides. in the end though, that little paper you signed giving authorization to work and shit, just saves the shop. from what it sounds like with your outstanding bill among other things, you don't have shit for court. ultimately i hope things get worked out for the best. if not, that sucks.

[MorrisMtrsports]

Yes dave is a friend of the shops and bitter because i was kicked off Team Trinity. Yes a while back ago some major incedent happened with a death in the family and sickness. I had a client of mine buy a part and well that has NOTHING to do with what is going on but if you feel like wasteing time on reading a resolved issue from like 5 months ago, dave left the link in a previous post.

I only had a problem paying for a TOB 52 dollar part only because i didnt understand how u messed the old one up. Ive installed many clutches on evos and most of them can still use the one that is in there after visual inspection is done.

First you say there was oil on the Belt and not because the belt was installed wrong? Where exactly was the motor oil coming from? as far as i know if a motor is installed correctly there shouldnt be any oil on the outside of the motor correct?

As far as the Tensioner and pulley failure go, or whatever your gonna tell me next made it blow up.....i have a 3rd party specialist working on seeing what was the cause of the engine failure.....one of the problems i see is whoever put the head together used BOTH the stock and FERREA keepers....too much pressure on the head may have caused it to jump? or maybe cause the belt was put on maybe from taking it off 5 times to correct a problem that wasnt done right the first time caused the excessive use of a part failing......not to mention the bolt on the tensioner pulley was stripped down as well.........

There is just a few things to think about.....if you run out of excuses i will have and answer to why the motor actually failed in due time. So I ask that we get started in resolveing these problems, i have had many problems posted for 2 days now and still no resolve. Ill be waiting for an answer or Monies as u put it.

thanks,
Jey Morris

****i merely cut and paste some stuff to make sure everyone is getting answes from both sides. Thanks.

I had no problem buying bearings stop trying to make me sound like i dont know anything about these cars. Other than this im the only one to do work on that car besides one other company for sponsorship.

Get to what you should be doing James/Promotion and fix these problems. And for god sake stop bashing me. I bow down to the greater person just fix these issues and stop trying to push all the blame on me. I got a life to get back to. All i want is my car problems that you caused to be fixed. Im not really asking for something i shouldnt be.

What i really dont get James, if Chris had put in his 2 weeks and you KNEW he was leaving why would u have him work on my car? especially if he was the only one that knew anything about evos? Only to leave it to trying to find someone to work on the car that doesnt?

[BlueHatch00]

.one of the problems i see is whoever put the head together used BOTH the stock and FERREA keepers....


In the shops behalf...... if that would work? how would you explain 4 keepers in a retainer? It only uses 2 stock and its a machined piece?? So your saying the 2 stock keepers AND the 2 ferrea keepers were used?

[MorrisMtrsports]

Hey Chris, yeah no i was going off of when i spoke with FERREA directly, i will have to get back to you on this. They had told me there have been screw up instances in the past where shops have install both theres and stock and it put too much pressure on the valvetrain. If you would like i will double check hopefully tomorrow if i have time between vehicles and double check that for you.

The result of me asking FERREA came because James had told me the cause of the timing belt failure could have been caused by the springs and retainers.

Thanks,
Jey Morris

[BlueHatch00]

Hey Chris, yeah no i was going off of when i spoke with FERREA directly, i will have to get back to you on this. They had told me there have been screw up instances in the past where shops have install both theres and stock and it put too much pressure on the valvetrain. If you would like i will double check hopefully tomorrow if i have time between vehicles and double check that for you.

The result of me asking FERREA came because James had told me the cause of the timing belt failure could have been caused by the springs and retainers.

Thanks,
Jey Morris


maybe you have keepers and seat/spring locators confused? keeper is what actualy goes onto valve steam and keeps the retainer. the seat locators go on bottom and center spring to avoid binding?

Chris

[HighPSI TSi Guy]

Yes dave is a friend of the shops and bitter because i was kicked off Team Trinity. Yes a while back ago some major incedent happened with a death in the family and sickness. I had a client of mine buy a part and well that has NOTHING to do with what is going on but if you feel like wasteing time on reading a resolved issue from like 5 months ago, dave left the link in a previous post.

I only had a problem paying for a TOB 52 dollar part only because i didnt understand how u messed the old one up. Ive installed many clutches on evos and most of them can still use the one that is in there after visual inspection is done.

First you say there was oil on the Belt and not because the belt was installed wrong? Where exactly was the motor oil coming from? as far as i know if a motor is installed correctly there shouldnt be any oil on the outside of the motor correct?

As far as the Tensioner and pulley failure go, or whatever your gonna tell me next made it blow up.....i have a 3rd party specialist working on seeing what was the cause of the engine failure.....one of the problems i see is whoever put the head together used BOTH the stock and FERREA keepers....too much pressure on the head may have caused it to jump? or maybe cause the belt was put on maybe from taking it off 5 times to correct a problem that wasnt done right the first time caused the excessive use of a part failing......not to mention the bolt on the tensioner pulley was stripped down as well.........

There is just a few things to think about.....if you run out of excuses i will have and answer to why the motor actually failed in due time. So I ask that we get started in resolveing these problems, i have had many problems posted for 2 days now and still no resolve. Ill be waiting for an answer or Monies as u put it.

thanks,
Jey Morris

****i merely cut and paste some stuff to make sure everyone is getting answes from both sides. Thanks.

I had no problem buying bearings stop trying to make me sound like i dont know anything about these cars. Other than this im the only one to do work on that car besides one other company for sponsorship.

Get to what you should be doing James/Promotion and fix these problems. And for god sake stop bashing me. I bow down to the greater person just fix these issues and stop trying to push all the blame on me. I got a life to get back to. All i want is my car problems that you caused to be fixed. Im not really asking for something i shouldnt be.

What i really dont get James, if Chris had put in his 2 weeks and you KNEW he was leaving why would u have him work on my car? especially if he was the only one that knew anything about evos? Only to leave it to trying to find someone to work on the car that doesnt?

why would I be bitter about what happened with you and team trinity? I am not a part of team trinity, just a friend. If I remember correctly, you were kicked from them for being full of shit. You bullshit your way through everything trying to get free stuff, your shop doesn't really exist and is just a cover to help with your quest of getting free shit. You fuck your customers and you fuck the people who are giving you shit. You sold a broken turbo and wanted no part of it. You sent a local customer the incorrect exhaust and refused to pay for return shipping for YOUR fuckup. ISP worked on your car for 12 hours and you wouldn't pay them or the tuner. You "bought" an ignition from a respectable member of the community and again, wouldn't pay, so it was repoed. you wouldn't pay the tuner for any of the times it was on pro-motion's dyno, and you seemed to think that pro-motion was going to magically pull parts out their ass to put your junk together, because you didn't want to pay. You make bullshit horsepower claims, you even have won awards at shows BECAUSE you claimed horsepower your car never made. Modifying a car can't be done for free. If you can't afford it, don't do it, or just take your time as the money comes, instead of trying to fuck everyone and con your way through. You pretend you have a million dollars in that pile, but all I see is a bunch of parts you conned people out of. You lied to James to get him to sponser you. In the end, you get what you pay for in life. You go from shop to shop, from company to company, from customer to customer, and fuck each and every one of them for personal gain. Your girlfriend was the one that TOLD the techs that you never planned to actually go to SEMA, and that most of what you were saying was a lie. It's always one excuse after another. Someone is always sick or dying or whatever that prevents you from following through. Now you're on the boards posting all over the internet hoping that with enough bashing you might get free shit to shut you up.

[IraqVet07]

im removing my post... i have nothing to say in this matter.

i've known of jey through being a current member of team trinity. i know of him BSin to make himself look better in the tuners eye.

James' i've known a few years. show cars he's pretty damn good. performance building eh. he has helped me in the past along w/ other past members of proMotion.

lowering springs installed(by philip), compression test on gsx(by jeremy, chris was there), harmonic balancer removal and install on my gsx when i 1st bought it (with help at my house w/ james).

just examples. the shop IMO shouldnt have lasted this long. not having a 'tuner', actually at the shop now, eh. techs they had two and for whatever reason they are gone now. i wouldnt trust my DSM w/ any1 in that shop.

[sidewaysil80]

you know, ive come to conclusion i dont really care anymore. you have a shady shop and a customere who is exactly like jeff norman. wow, talk about karma

[ProMotionTuning]

Phone message was left with Jey Morris of Morris Motorsports today at 10:30am to try to resolve the issue.

Thanks
James

[EvOzRally7]

Update* anyone? James? Jey?

[ProMotionTuning]

Still awaiting a return phone call from Jey..

However Delonte, suggest you stay completely out of this situation as far these internet forums as you will only stir up drama within these forums.

James

[MorrisMtrsports]

Promotion has opted to either not receive due to internet failure, and some of just not returning my ims. I have limited time in the AM and PM to contact them. Even via phone is next to impossible due to myself working on other clients cars all day. However i was able to reach James on AIM today. He stated that he was to busy to talk tonight, tomorrow(dyno day or something) so it will have to be pushed to Monday. And again will remain that James i would say if you can call me on SUnday as that is a day you have off so we may discuss this problem in great detail. I know its your day off and you will complain but i dont take days off and work all week. Sorry man, just call me on Sunday.

As of now there is no update, as i have not been able to work on our shop Evo due to tremendous amounts of work that i have lined up for the next few weeks. However at nite after this weekend and with xmas i may have some free time to go work on it. But as of now. Nothing is resolved or has been discussed.

I will be awaiting James call Sunday.

Thanks,
Jey Morris

[ProMotionTuning]

Jey:
Phone message left with you at 5:55PM today on your cell phone. If you continue to post nothing but lies, there will be no further discussion and I will gladly seek legal action against you to the fullest. You have my number to call me. For the past 3 business days you have continued to reach me around 5-6pm via AIM... We have a toll free number, call the shop directly. Our phone number is 877-724-6682 in case you have misplaced it. I am a shop owner trying to resolve your issues and concerns, however if you feel as if your car is not important enough to call me during business hours, I am sorry but I cannot assist you. However this is your second and final warning, if you continue posting lies, action will be taken.

Thanks
James.

[IraqVet07]

^^

as if nobodys heard this said before... (ie) takin legal action against you... soo lame

[MorrisMtrsports]

It is now 9pm James, im just getting off work. I also am a business owner trying to work all day. I AM the ONLY one in my company that works i have no help. I oppologize for not being around the phone but ive been under 4 different cars not including mine for the past week and am very limited on time. As i was not posting lies about your company i was merely stateing what the update was man, chill out. Since your shop is only open til 6 and i dont make it off work until usually around 9 and later if i go to my car it is quite difficult for me to get ahold of you.

This is meant to not be disrespectful but the only time i will have really available to talk will be Sunday this weekend as my Fiance is taking me out Sat. So if you please wouldnt mind give me a shout on AIM Sunday? I wish not to speak on the phone , all conversations will need to be in a typed message as to protect BOTH you and i in case you must feel the need to take legal action against me.

As the update i mean no disrespect as i was informing literally what has happened to this point. NOWHERE in that post was anything written to harm you nor your business. If you see it that way, then you need to please try to understand i am only stating my side of it.

UPDATE:(revised in plain English)

Promotion has opted to either not receive due to internet failure, and some of just not returning my ims. I have limited time in the AM and PM to contact them. Even via phone is next to impossible due to myself working on other clients cars all day. However i was able to reach James on AIM today. He stated that he was to busy to talk tonight, tomorrow(dyno day or something) so it will have to be pushed to Monday. And again will remain that James i would say if you can call me on SUnday as that is a day you have off so we may discuss this problem in great detail. I know its your day off and you will complain but i dont take days off and work all week. Sorry man, just call me on Sunday.

As of now there is no update, as i have not been able to work on our shop Evo due to tremendous amounts of work that i have lined up for the next few weeks. However at nite after this weekend and with xmas i may have some free time to go work on it. But as of now. Nothing is resolved or has been discussed. EVEN THOUGH JAMES HAS TRIED TO CONTACT ME VIA PHONE.

TONIGHT:
I recieved a threatening voicemail that i just got to that was left some time around 5-6pm this is what it stated-

"Jey this is james from Promotion it is 34939pm , i have tried to reach u by AIM ill be here another 10 mins and have tried to now reach u by phone. If these posts continue on these forums with LIES i WILL file a Disrepresentation of Character Lawsuit also against u on Monday morning. You have ability to end this by giving me a call back WITHIN the next 10 mins or deleting the post....so we will talk when u call. Bye."

......I was working at this time and was unable to call him, and unable to reach him or any one of his employees via AIM.

These are FACTS not LIES and i will continue to post them updateing as we go along stateing IF anything is being accomplished. PLEASE do not threaten me, i would never and HAVE NOT done anything to you guys, your open threats are not warranted by any of my activities. If you feel that what i have done or what i have said is a problem , then do what you must.

Thanks again,
Jey Morris

[VIPGarage]

Dave what was the point of posting that? I read the whole thing. Jey worked it out. Im not taking up for Jey and I don't even know the guy. But in all farness if that was a stab at Jey you were dead on. But at MM whatever his shops name is, had nothing to do with that post. The guy posted his arguement like 4 months ago for ONE, TWO, they must have worked it out where as the guy is happy with the situation, got his parts back and is probably riding his 50trim to the fullest (from what he said he was gonna do instead of the 20G).

Now for this situation what was resolved?

he's on my 50trim turbo kit :D and hauling as at that. 400+whp on pump baby! :cool:

[ProMotionTuning]

Martin... 50 trim on the evo is putting down 400whp on 93 pump gas? On which car an Evo 8?

[Streetprojectz]

this thread sucks its a hole lot of he said she said and nothing getting done. there is a ton of posts that promotion has no tuner and that there work is questionable so basically business will get less and less for you sorry about your shop. as for this morris motorsports guy dude if i remotely thought a shop was the reason my car was messed up i WOULD MAKE TIME TO CALL THEM 50 TIMES A DAY. writing on the internet about the shop only promotes hostility and it dont really look like anything is getting done any faster. from what we have all read you already seem shady yourself so its to shady people bitching. stop bitching and find the time to fix the issue. SOLUTIONS PEOPLE SOLUTIONS

[EVOV1II]

Jey, if you had the ability to work on your own car in your own shop why didnt you? Well the anwser is cause you cant work on it and you dont have a shop. And the only reason that you started this post was to get the owner of promotion, james, to drop the debt that you owe him cause you cant pay him. This post is pretty childish just because your car broke when YOU supplied the parts and the parts YOU supplied failed. Now if you had let Promotion get ALL the parts then i could see where you had something to stand on. As for now you dont have anything to stand on. OH and it was great when your girlfriend erin hit you and swole up your eye in front of the shop window. That was great!!!

[IraqVet07]

if the parts he supplied didnt work and werent of good quality why were they put on his car? if me i woulda told him to come pick it up cause my businesses name is on the line. and this way this situation here wouldnt of been going on like this. making both james and jey look bad.

keeps me amused at night tho. . . lol

[EVOV1II]

Sometimes NEW parts go bad or are bad when purchased. Thats why you have the shop doing the work order the parts that way they can handle any problems. They cant do it with customer supplied parts. And when mitsu recomends changing a part it is kinda a given that you need to do it reguardless of your money situation. Cause if you dont it will cost you more if the 35 dollar part goes bad it will cost you 2500 plus as it has done here.

[IraqVet07]

And when mitsu recomends changing a part it is kinda a given that you need to do it reguardless of your money situation. Cause if you dont it will cost you more if the 35 dollar part goes bad it will cost you 2500 plus as it has done here.


throw out bearing?

[EVOV1II]

NO timing belt tensoner pulley. It is recomended when changeing timing belt.

[MorrisMtrsports]

I was not told nor asked to replace any parts when changing the timing belt. I am not broke and i have money to pay promotion , i am not trying to get them to drop the charges i am trying to get them to pay for the problems they caused to my car. The tensioner, timing belt and pulley were changed less than 5k miles ago on the Evo when it was brought in to Promotion. I was never asked to replace anything until the car was damaged.

AGAIN...I in no way have said i DONT have money NOR will NOT pay promotion for the work they have done. I expect to pay them for everything. I in turn am only unhappy with alot that was done BOTH to ME and my Evo. I dont care about all this he said she said crap cause all it is doing is Promotion is trying to run me personally and my business into the ground. I merely posted this stuff on here to let people know what happened to my car and get answers from Promotion. I am not shady and i do not swindle people. Sorry the only instances people hear about on here are 1 problem that was resolved already and one that im am resolviing now. THIS is not about me in any way nor my shop. This has EVERYTHING to do with Promotion, and the work that was done to my car. AND all i want is promotion to fix a few things. Grow up, stop bashing me, find something better to deal with. And Chris do you work for Promotion? Why the hell would u and your friends be workinng or EVEN touching my car? Promotion seems to think that you know everything about the evo, and that is why you were working on it? (yet another thing i didnt like, non employed people hanging around my car working on it.)

Anyway what i want out of this is merely this: RESOLUTION of these caused problems to my vehicle.

Here are the good and bad updates of the vehicle:

The damage to the wheels themselves from using the air gun to put on the lugs chewed up the paint. I need this fixed, including new lugs and studs for BOTH front wheels.

The oil line from the oil cooler to oil filter houseing is torn/cut/ripped and needs to be replace. (this may not be a problem as i may be able to get the parts from a sponsor. But i may need that if i cant)

I wish not to pay for the TOB and the Labor due to the fact there was no way it should have broke while removing the tranny.

MISSING PARTS: ok i have found the missing LIFTERS(crammed in the bottom of that huge box) so i dont need those as long as there ok.

I found the remaining rocker arms in the same location. ALL but one was broken. (promotion had told me 4 were broken)

NOW FOR THE DAMAGED MOTOR. At this time i can not say who is at fault, i basically see it as the timing belt slipped. Could have been alot of things, i have not narrowed this down , and will not be able to until the motor is out of the car. BUT at this point i do NOT blame promotion for this and never did.

As for the parts i supplied , NOTHING was faulty. Pistons and Rods have been used with no other problems in MAY Evos. And everything should have been fine.

TIMING BELT: i have no idea what ACTUALLY caused this yet. The motor will be out of the vehicle tomorrow and send both to Mitsubishi and my machine shop to be inspected to find out what the cause of this mishap was. AGAIN I AM NOT AT THIS TIME BLAMING Promotion for this incedent, yet, it very well could have been and accident and caused by a part failing.
***I was not asked to replace ANYTHING regarding timing belt or anything. If these parts should have been replaced someone should have asked or told me. I was under the impression that with less than 5k miles on the new installed timing parts they should have been fine. However since promotion for some reason or another had to remove the TIMING BELT 3 or 4 times this may have played a roll in part failure. ( guess all you want i guess this is my side of the hear say.)

I DONT CARE about the oil stains, i was able to remove them from the back seat and the trunk.
I will make up the short list of damaged parts to the vehicle(most are posted above) later tonight or tomorrow when i have time. I am not out to get promotion i was merely stating my experience with there shop. All i want is these problems fixed.

So please stop posting stupid stuff that has nothing to do with this incedent with promotion as everyone has heard everything about my life and such. I am here only to resolve these issues. I have been nice enough so far to let alot go.

Im hopeing promotion can read this and let me know what they can do as they AGAIN did not call me or im me today like i had asked.

Thanks,
Jey

[EVOV1II]

First of all i know more about the EVO then your dumbass does. And you are right i dont work there.But i was only helping out so they could get your car done and ready to be tuned. So dont even start with me. That post was my first and i wasnt going to chime in but this is getting ridiculous. Im going to stay out of this just dont mention me again!!!

[EvOzRally7]

First of all i know more about the EVO then your dumbass does. And you are right i dont work there.But i was only helping out so they could get your car done and ready to be tuned. So dont even start with me. That post was my first and i wasnt going to chime in but this is getting ridiculous. Im going to stay out of this just dont mention me again!!!

:beat: Again one of James's groupies :beat:

Oh and by Drama James, what do you mean? I have never stirred up any drama you guys did the shady work put on fucked up parts wether supplied by customer or yourself whoever. You are held responsible. Your tech fucks anything up, YOU ARE HELD RESPONSIBLE. You throw this legal shit at people all day long. And I quote James the night of the tuning session on said Evo when you bought the Bullshit as timing gun from advance (and complained about that, how do you own a shop without a TIMING GUN "don't break the plastic so I can take it back")

Just to bring guys up to the point of how this dicussion come about, me the technician and some kid they called studder box I think and a few other guys where standing in front of the Evo. Someone said something along the lines of this car was supposed to be at SEMA (which calls for major concerns of what cars they were letting in SEMA considering the way alot of the wires were ran didn't look good, the intercooler piping alone didn't look great but whatever) Thats around when this was said..........

James - "He is in breech of our contract anyway"
Me - "what do you mean "
James - "Jey said that the car was supposed to be at SEMA"
Me - " How can the car go to SEMA when you guys aren't even done with the car all in all you are in breech of your contract"
James - "I pay a lawyer $250 an hour to take care of my dirty work so we will see"


Dude plan and simple we might don't get along, we may have our ups and downs, but when I was there helping a friend, I was also looking out for your best interest because it was your shop, we all were there, and it was the right thing to do before something fucked up. Unfortunately something did fuck up a customers car that was left under your responsibilty.

Now if your tech decides to spend 3hrs on a couplers that kept blowing over and over and over and over and over and over again, instead checking the timing issue that was brought to his and your attention, this would not have been a problem for you, your shop and whoever else that was involved.

[EvOzRally7]

First of all i know more about the EVO then your dumbass does. And you are right i dont work there. But i was only helping out so they could get your car done and ready to be tuned. That post was my first and i wasnt going to chime in but this is getting ridiculous.

Now 1 thing if this is the kid i think they call you studder box, you are cool as a fan you did know about the plastic peice on the tranny that kept breaking off, very helpful, but did you ever wonder way the techs couldn't figure that out? If you weren't there to put in your .02 that would have been another thing that would have been and issue to add. All im saying is people were there to help because it was obvious that it was needed!

And to add yellow evo dude or studder box don't know your name don't take it as a dis because it wasn't all. You are a good guy . :D

[ProMotionTuning]

Still awaiting communication with Jey Morris before any resolutions or other posts will be handled. Jey is our customer and his needs will be handled first before these forums.

Thanks
James

[MajorsEF]

i know neither i just read the boards, but to me it sounds like EVOV1II needs to open a shop, he seems to be the only person that knows what hes talking about.

[MorrisMtrsports]

Ok guys time for a quick update.

Tonight i was able to take off work about a half hour early to call james at promotion. I WILL say this: I am impressed with how they are now responding to the needs. We did talk for a brief time due only to the fact that both James and I are trying to work our shops business.

Promotion has agreed there will be NO charge for the TOB and tranny removal. Which i believe with James stateing the bill is now 1600.oo which we will fine to and such later after the parts issues have been resolved.

I will be sending James an updated list of parts/damage this evening and will be awaiting a reply hopefully tomorrow.

I also at this time will reiterate that i have not , nor ever have, blamed Promotion at fault for the engine failure. At this time there is nothing to prove or disprove anyones THEORIES.(ei, tensioner , tensioner pulley, oil, or valve springs causeing the motor catastrophic failure.) The motor and all parts willl be checked by a third party. However James has stated that the motor OR motor work is NOT covered under warranty due to the fact it is a high performance motor.


Thanks again,
Jey Morris

[snikwad]

u cant spell worth a sh!t

[MorrisMtrsports]

lol tired and dont really care but thanks, i can do spell check later.

Jey

[SpeedJunkie]

I don't know, but anytime I had to use customer supplied parts I would write no warranty on the work order.


Second, anyone working out of their home without business insurance is a backyard mechanic, not a shop. If you are so busy you can not make phone calls maybe it is time to go legit.

[MorrisMtrsports]

Trying yes, but due to lack of correct facilities for what we are doing it is hard. I am a legalized license bearing shop/business we were in Annapolis and due to EPA building regulations our small shop was taken down and we were forced to find other means of a building location. We hopefully will be in our new shop very soon.

Thanks,
Jey Morris

[z31kid]

everybody has the same EPA regulations wherever u go. just to let u know.

[Zimzallabim]

First of all i know more about the EVO then your dumbass does. And you are right i dont work there.But i was only helping out so they could get your car done and ready to be tuned. So dont even start with me. That post was my first and i wasnt going to chime in but this is getting ridiculous. Im going to stay out of this just dont mention me again!!!


theres ur answer

[ILLEGAL]

This is why no one I know will go to the shop, and buy/trade with anyone who's car has been in the shop, or will we ever work on any car that has any association with the shop, customer or not.

[MorrisMtrsports]

everybody has the same EPA regulations wherever u go. just to let u know.

Hey sorry if i mis wrote this, the reason we had to vacate the building was due to the fact that the EPA regulations were not up to date , the building was old. We are currently looking also for a larger shop in the area however there are locations that are easily available in areas that we will NOT put our shop.

thanks ,
Jey

[EvOzRally7]

theres ur answer

what are you talking about, answer to what? :confused:

[SLMRacer1M]

I called them a while back and they couldnt even give me pricing on parts talked to James and another guy on the phone..... I had 5 grand to spend and told them what I wanted to accomplish and was ready to take the car there and sink my cash into there garage yet they still never called me back with prices and the few prices they did give me were 100 bucks or more higher than most, plus their labor was outrageous. Far as I'm concerned they lost my buisness for good!!!! And this story just is the nail in the coffin if I were you I would of had them reported to the better buisness bureau and get a case going!

[walker111]

I called them a while back and they couldnt even give me pricing on parts talked to James and another guy on the phone..... I had 5 grand to spend and told them what I wanted to accomplish and was ready to take the car there and sink my cash into there garage yet they still never called me back with prices and the few prices they did give me were 100 bucks or more higher than most, plus their labor was outrageous. Far as I'm concerned they lost my buisness for good!!!! And this story just is the nail in the coffin if I were you I would of had them reported to the better buisness bureau and get a case going!

There are so many other good shops with a little bit of driving distance!

[SLMRacer1M]

yes I know that now, I heard that they had a good tuner their with subaru experience thats why I went to them first off. After doing my research I have found my dealing will be with DYNO Inc. They are friendly, informative, and all around honest not to mention reasonable prices. MJ who works there has given me good prices on parts and dyno time in which I will be taking advantage of after the holidays.

[93sr-5ftw]

damn man, im glad that i know to do tuning threw dyno inc, i haven't heard anything bad about them, and almost every other shop ive heard nothing but garbage good luck jey

[MorrisMtrsports]

Thanks 240, well as of Jan first there have been promises made to me however nothing has actually been resolved in hand. But im taking this as it has been hard with all the holidays. Promotion has said they will fix everything, send back some of my things they found of mine at there shop and reimburse me, But as of right now nothing has actually happened. Or i should say i havent seen anything yet.

I will keep everyone posted. Thanks for the support.

Jey Morris

[93sr-5ftw]

wow jey, im glad to see this is working out for you, and that this has gone from a horrible situation to a almost decent one, glad to see that you an promotion are working this out, kudos to the both of you

[P5errington]

Keep us posted...It would be hard to believe james lives up to his word.

[TheGentleArt]

the only thing i got out of this was, keep my car stock?

[IPUNCHBABIES]

ive done alot of business with pro-motion and i can say that james and mike have gone out of their way many of times to make sure i was taken care of.

[EvOzRally7]

the only thing i got out of this was, keep my car stock?

The best quote I've ever heard.

But it sucks to say 1 shop ruin business for other shops so don't take it that hard, there are other shops that will take care of you. You just gotta find the right one.

[93sr-5ftw]

well am i the only one that still cars if jey and pro-motion got everything straightened out?

[MorrisMtrsports]

well not much was resolved, james is sicking his lawyers after me i guess. So be it. I recieved a cd, 4 fittings and my fuel line and that was it. No other comps for damage done to my vehicle. This matter will more likely be taken to court and at much higher stakes to Promotion. Sorry to say.

Jey Morris

[ProMotionTuning]

Yes we jhave returned all the parts we had in our possession. Until Jey makes an attempt at payment on all the parts and labor he has already on the vehicle, we told him we are not going to refund out the other approx $400.

Thanks
James

Jey: Feel free to call me any time, ball is in your court right now

[hondub]

geez this is why i do ALL my own work and dont let someone else drive my car out of my line of sight. and i drive a 93 POS.

[cbucgo]

I had Pro Motion do an engine replacement, supercharger deinstall, fix a bunch of wiring in a car and everything went very smooth. Everybody was always very professional and I frequently got phone calls to keep me up to date on what was going on. I have and will continue to do business with them.

www.autosbychoice.com

[Boostin10s]

After reading all this "he said, she said" bullshit, I can say both are at fault! In addition to that, I've talked to numerous people about Pro Motion and the credibility of said shop, and, all I've heard are negative things. In one instance, James, was at the local radio station discussing potential radio spots, and was described as an arrogant tool by numerous employees of the radio station. I've been on the sideline watching this guy and his overnight shop come about, and I agree with the others, he's got a dedicated "crew" who thinks this guy is an equal to the likes of Jason Hunt, Brian Ballard, or a Christian Rado. Working with these guys, I can say that James is purely a "magazine" guy. Sure, his shit box Saturn build was decent, the Cougars are o.k., but he doesn't do speed. After the years I've spent racing and building Hondas, I've never seen such a shady organization before. That's just my two cents.

[ProMotionTuning]

After reading all this "he said, she said" bullshit, I can say both are at fault! In addition to that, I've talked to numerous people about Pro Motion and the credibility of said shop, and, all I've heard are negative things. In one instance, James, was at the local radio station discussing potential radio spots, and was described as an arrogant tool by numerous employees of the radio station. I've been on the sideline watching this guy and his overnight shop come about, and I agree with the others, he's got a dedicated "crew" who thinks this guys is an equal to the likes of Jason Hunt, Brian Ballard, or a Christian Rado. Working with these guys, I can say that James is purely a "magazine" guy. Sure, his shit box Saturn build was decent, the Cougars are o.k., but he doesn't do speed. After the years I've spent racing and building Hondas, I've never seen such a shady organization before. That's just my two cents.


Thanks for your useless post... For the record I have personally never been to a Radio Station to discuss Radio spots so you must have the wrong guy/shop. We have only worked with one Radio Station (WYSK 99.3) and all meetings with this station have been with One employee and always here at Pro-Motion Tuning.

Our shop is definitely not overnight... However I will not deny I am not a Jason Hunt, Brian Ballard or Chris Rado... but guess what? This is not a one man shop either... We have 6 employees now...One of which has built some of the fastest Supras and Evos around... but for some odd reason you all keep thinking I am the only Employee here and everything that comes out of the shop is handled by just me and not my staff!

Have a great day!
James

[Boostin10s]

Look here cowboy, The WYSK employee will remain nameless! But let's get one thing straight, the opinion of you was based on the meetings w/ WYSK (The Star Radio Group), numerous people who have dealt w/ your shop, plus, a few others who knew you back before you opened Pro Motion Tuning. Remember James, you were the dude lugging body kits from an 18-wheeler at your house on Rt. 208, you were young then, had crazy toys (i.e. nice dually, RX-8), another reason you've got some haters. Not everyone can be as fortunate as you. So, instead of acting like you're the shit, how 'bout this, lose the F-ing "Unique Whips" attitude and grab the "grass roots" tuner attitude that these guys need. For once, can the guys get a local shop that doesn't bullshit or lie to make a buck! If not, I suggest these guys move to Cali for a straight up shop, where it all began. Don't go to some guy in the good 'ol dirty 'Burg!

[Boostin10s]

Oh, and if you continue to make the claim of building "some of the fastest EVOs and Supras around", you might just rattle the bushes a bit too hard, and the guys that truly build fast EVOs and Supras will emerge!

I'd be careful on making bullshit claims like that!

[ProMotionTuning]

Thats my only problem with this area/scene... Everyone thinks one person is the entire shop and they KNEW me before I opened... Its still he said she said... Do what you do... i am not worried... I have spoke to WYSK employees whom we have dealt with and your stories are not confirmed..

Research the name, Jamie Daley... He is my lead fabricator/tech at Pro-Motion Tuning. I am sure you will see that I am not making false claims!

Nothing but more assumptions and lies that people cant back up... You will see we only come with the truth.

James

[Boostin10s]

C'mon guy, of course they won't confirm, you are/were a possilbe customer. That's neither here nor there. I will certainly contact some of my guys in the industry about "Jamie Daley" and his sick EVOs and Supras. I know you aren't the only one in your shop, but YOU put yourself out there by employing shit workers. How many are ASE cert.? How many are Honda, Acura, Mitsu., etc. certified? How many have attended factory backed classes? The questions go on and on, YOU James, are a direct reflection of your employees, if all this shit that I've heard, others have heard, so on and so forth, isn't true, then you really need to take a long look at who you employ! Because it's your name and business on the line, not theirs!

[ProMotionTuning]

ASE Certified - Both techs
OEM Certified - Not a Dealership...
EFI Certified - Myself and 2 techs pending...

Thanks
James

[Boostin10s]

I'm done with this clown, just like I was told, a F-ing hardheaded ass.
Enjoy the area now, at the rate your "crew" are going, you'll be doing business out of your house again real soon.

[HighPSI TSi Guy]

I'm done with this clown, just like I was told, a F-ing hardheaded ass.
Enjoy the area now, at the rate your "crew" are going, you'll be doing business out of your house again real soon.


You asked questions, and were provided answers. You made the accusation that the staff was unqualified, and were proved wrong.

I fail to see where your assumption is coming from.

I also fail to see why you care about a shop that is all the way across the country?

[Boostin10s]

Negative guy. Out of 6 employees, only two are ASE certified? That is unsat to say the least. This EFI cert. he speaks of is at best, a cert. for him to charge more money for tuning services. It's a class w/ minimal hands on application training. It teaches the fundamentals of EFI logic and theory. In regards to factory backed training and/or certifications, over 40 mechanics, technicians, fabricators, and tuners have received factory training and we aren't a dealership. That is a total of 85% of all techs that touch the cars here at the race shop. It's not required, I know that, but it is an industry standard. I'd tread lightly if I were you on assuming my credentials vs. Pro Motion Tuning. Where I'm employed compared to his shop, obviously has different standards.

And the reason I care, is because I still visit Fredericksburg quite often. I grew up there. I care about the bullshit that goes on. The only reason I am in California, is because that where my employer's headquarters is based out of.

And like I said before, I'm done w/ this.

[HighPSI TSi Guy]

Negative guy. Out of 6 employees, only two are ASE certified? That is unsat to say the least. This EFI cert. he speaks of is at best, a cert. for him to charge more money for tuning services. It's a class w/ minimal hands on application training. It teaches the fundamentals of EFI logic and theory. In regards to factory backed training and/or certifications, over 40 mechanics, technicians, fabricators, and tuners have received factory training and we aren't a dealership. That is a total of 85% of all techs that touch the cars here at the race shop. It's not required, I know that, but it is an industry standard. I'd tread lightly if I were you on assuming my credentials vs. Pro Motion Tuning. Where I'm employed compared to his shop, obviously has different standards.

And the reason I care, is because I still visit Fredericksburg quite often. I grew up there. I care about the bullshit that goes on. The only reason I am in California, is because that where my employer's headquarters is based out of.

And like I said before, I'm done w/ this.

There are 2 technicians and both are certified. The service writer is also certified. I am curious as to why you think the non-techs that don't work on the cars need to have ASE certs? And the tuning rates are about 50% of that of most major competitors. This is an unfair price how? As far as the EFI class, there actually is quite a bit of hands on. I will agree that a cert is not everything, but at the same time, you are contradicting yourself. You make the point about certification, then when it is provided you claim certification is worthless? Please decide what you want to base your assumptions on. I am not making any assumptions about your credentials, I am just trying to figure out where you think Pro-Motion is lacking in credentials. It has been stated that the people who work on the cars are ASE certified. The fabricator has years of experience. The tuning staff has been trained. James is EFI certified and the other member of the tuning staff has been in the industry for years, was trained by some of the best in the industry, and is pending certification as well.

[Physics]

I can't say I'm surprised to see another person get so entangled and screwed up with another tuning company, so far I've been screwed by two of them. From my own experience, they attempt to fix your vehicle, then come up with an excuse why they can't. Then they make it like their excuse is your own fault, then they try again, and eventually you get a vehicle returned to you in worse condition then you gave it to them, and they expect you to pay out the ass because they "tried". I wish I could run a business where I fuck someone else's vehicle up and charge them money for it, I'm amazed that actual dealerships haven't caught on to doing this to their customers as well. If tuner companies can get away with it, so should they right?

In short my 2 cents, I haven't found a decent "tuner" company yet willing to take full responsibility for their own actions and just scam people. It's almost like you have to do this stuff yourself or at least know someone in the industry to make sure you get things done right. Actually that seems like a fact of life with just about everything. Know someone when you want something done, or don't do it at all.

[Don Juan]

call a lawyer...

[HKS]

shops ftl

DIY

[Sage Auto]

It is the hardest thing in the industry to find people you can trust. Not just from a tuner aspect yet from a business aspect as well. There are companies out there which will screw you or at least try to do so of thousands and thousands of dollars. So I wish you good luck on everything you do. Just don't push off all shops because of peoples ability to screw more then produce.


Gary @ High End

[MorrisMtrsports]

Hey guys. Sorry long time no post.

After MONTHS of downtime with the evo i finally got time to finish seeing where everything was at. I will post up all my findings but trust me they are NOT good. Lost , damaged, and yes STOLEN parts out of the car. Problems with parts that were installed and parts that were "supposedly" installed. Total for my new build for all the damage done to the car has now exceeded 5,000.oo and that is before the motor is put in and before tuning and labor for my tech. We at my shop now have EXACT reasoning of what the TRUE failure of the motor was and it was NOT what promotion said. I have found everything was poorly put together and damaged upon assembly including the internals of the block that they did.

Now, to Pro-Motion Tuning and those who even touched my car.....The damage i expect to be paid in full including all wheel, paint and parts damaged and do not expect to pay anything more than what i already lost. If you wish to reimburse me, like i said on the phone. You have 72 hours to wire transfer money to me.(Since you cant except a credit card from me) NOR will i except one from you! Consequences are as follows:

I WILL:
Post pictures , parts inspection papers and any work that was looked over on the Evo. (By professionals, and more than 4 shops) I will also write up what you REALLY did to my car. Or i will give you a chance to try to lie your way out of it more. I also expect to be payed in full for the stolen race gas, race gas jugs, and my stock ignition and aftermarket ignition system that you stole then sold off my car. Reimbursement for fixing my wheels, and being able to get them off my car.

This hopefully will be my last post on here guys. Hopefully this can be resolved. Im not being threatening ProMotion in any way. I expect you out of courtesy to achknowledge my responce and issue a yes you will or no you wont response. I dont have the time to deal with petty little girl argueing on here. As far as im conserned the disrespect you showed me, im doing this out of courtesy, if not you can deal with the concequences.


BBB has been contacted and i filed 3 complaints against your company 3 months ago.

I issue this warning for all who value there car:
BUYER BEWARE of Pro Motion Tuning LLC

Sincerely,
Jey Morris

[Physics]

You're damn right man, I hope they are smart enough to do the right thing. Good luck to you.

[HighPSI TSi Guy]

You're damn right man, I hope they are smart enough to do the right thing. Good luck to you.

Read an entire thread before making assumptions.

I'm not going to repeat all the facts that aren't mentioned on page whatever because people are too lazy to read a thread before commenting.

[MorrisMtrsports]

Dave shut up man. I have given ample time for James from Pro Motion to reply or call me. And ive been patient. Lost enough time and money through this shady business they call a shop. Im inpatient, call me today before 12pm. If not you know the repercussions......Unless theyve already been shut down for all the other crap that theyve done there.

I dont need Dave or any other of James posse to reply with there bullshit post. I only care about James. He needs to claim full responsibility or else.

I will only post up after this, pending trial dates as i know James isnt going to do anything. After the court dates i will post all the information regarding this incedent on here. As to those who have contacted the BBB......ProMotion now has 7 complaints and now 1 pending lawsuits on there hands.

Thanks for everyones support on this topic and to others, please be careful. I have already warned you and posted this on every other forums. P.M.T. will NOT be getting any business anymore.

Thanks agian,

Jey Morris
Morris Motorsports
Owner

[P5errington]

Read an entire thread before making assumptions.

I'm not going to repeat all the facts that aren't mentioned on page whatever because people are too lazy to read a thread before commenting.

And you KNOW all the facts??? Every time some one posts Negative comments, you rush in ignorance to support James. For what, free Dyno time?
I filed a a complaint a year ago with the BBB. James did not accept responsibility then, nor will he ever, as long as he has a Lawyer at bay.
He threatened me with all kinds of suits, it was comical! Is that a way to run a business. I wish you luck in getting re-imbursed, most of US did not have luck, but everyone knows the truth. Looks like that shop is dying a slow death.

[HighPSI TSi Guy]

And you KNOW all the facts??? Every time some one posts Negative comments, you rush in ignorance to support James. For what, free Dyno time?
I filed a a complaint a year ago with the BBB. James did not accept responsibility then, nor will he ever, as long as he has a Lawyer at bay.
He threatened me with all kinds of suits, it was comical! Is that a way to run a business. I wish you luck in getting re-imbursed, most of US did not have luck, but everyone knows the truth. Looks like that shop is dying a slow death.

Yes, I do know the facts. I have no Idea what happened with you, I wasn't around for that, so I can't argue about whatever happened with you. What I can say is that the staff is 99% changed from then till now. I was at the shop a lot as a private hire tuner during the time this situation with Jey was going on, and was a witness to pretty much everything. Jey's sole purpose was to fuck them, just like he fucked ISP and everyone else. Jey is a fake, he uses his shop as a front and lies his ass off to companies to make them think he has sponserships to try to get free stuff. He takes his car to shops and doesn't pay them. He fucked ISP the same way, then moved on down to Pro-Motion. When he found out his bill was more than $0, he became furious and decided to do this, as it was really his only chance of getting stuff for free. He wants everything for free and just fucks whoever he has to, to get it.

Like I said I do not know what happened with all these other incidents you speak of, so I cannot defend or argue about them, I was not there for them. I WAS there for this incident, and I know the history of jey morris and morris motorsports. The problem with this board is that most people on here do not know him. He has been around the Mitsubishi community for years, and is known there as a complete joke, a hack, and a fake. Everyone one in the DSM world knows what he is. But a lot of the Evo guys and people on here don't know his history so they don't realize he has a history of con-artistry.

P5errington, I'm sorry you had a bad experience, but remember that pretty much the entire staff that worked there when you had your incident is gone now as well.

[Jay]

This is quite an old thread. Handle your business irl, and get back with results from actions taken. Hope both parties can come to an agreement.