Judge convicts I-564 drag racer; more cases to be heard in May

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Another Article in VA Pilot:


By MICHELLE WASHINGTON, The Virginian-Pilot
© April 4, 2006 | Last updated 11:22 PM Apr. 3



NORFOLK — The first of nine people charged with drag racing faced a judge Monday, and finished with a conviction.

Michael R. Olson, 20, appealed immediately.

Olson’s 1992 Honda Civic was among a group of cars lined up three deep and three abreast on Interstate 564 the night of March 3, testified State Police Sgt. John DeFilippo.

Acting on tips from other motorists, troopers had monitored drag racing on the strip near the Granby Street exit for about a month. The night of the bust, troopers monitored the stretch of road from the ground and from the air. DeFilippo watched and waited, his car parked in bushes along the highway.

Three beeps on a car horn signalled the start, DeFilippo testified. All nine of the cars raced forward, engines revving and tires squealing.

They were met by a rolling roadblock of police cruisers. DeFilippo estimated the group’s speed at 70 to 75 mph in a 55 mph zone. Troopers seized a total of nine cars that night.

Olson’s lawyer, Gary Byler, tried to show that Olson may have been speeding, but was not racing.

“Did you find any trophies?” Byler asked the trooper.

“No,” he said.

To another trooper, Byler asked, “Who won?”

The question provoked giggles from a group of other people who had been charged and were awaiting their turn in front of the judge.

General District Judge James Mathews said neither the speed nor the winner mattered. The bottom line, he said, was that the lineup and starting signal meant the people in the group were racing.

Mathews suspended Olson’s license for a year. The judge imposed a six-month jail sentence but suspended all the time. He ordered Olson to pay $500 of a $1,000 fine, and to remain on good behavior for two years.

Olson’s appeal means the case will be heard again in Norfolk Circuit Court.

The cases against the other people charged with racing were scheduled to be heard in May.

Prosecutors have sought to take ownership of seven of the seized cars. Those cases have not yet been heard.


Reach Michelle Washington at (757) 446-2287 or michelle.washington@pilotonline.com.

[vinny89GT]

Sounds like dude got off easy to me.

[Mr. Projekt]

lmao at the dudes lawyer though. kinda irrelavent. but none the less funny.

[BLU CIVIC]

IMO...should have made an example out of them if they went to all that trouble and spent all those man hours to bust them

[EH3_SOHC]

fuck your opinion, dont wish jail on anyone

[crxnfx]

why? jail is fun. you get your own clothes, they feed you pretty good food, you get a place to sleep, work out..


wait a sec. this sounds like the military...

[Slimsta Jimsta]

i heard something about it on the radio today on my way to class..

only to find out my class doesn't start for another 30 minutes

i remember now, the court date is may 8th i believe

[Terry@Fortune]

damn...stupid that they were racing, but I do feel for them
Its good he kinda got off lightly

[zeenon53]

deffinitley sounds like he got off lightly.....

[b16 snatch]

it's fucked up they are trying to take ownership of their cars

[BLU CIVIC]

fuck your opinion, dont wish jail on anyone


don't wish jail on anyone...but you can't play ignorant when caught in an organized street race than had been monitored for quite a while and don't expect to not get punished...but i just say make an example...

[FLUFFY]

I thought they were definitely going to make examples our of these guys after all the negative media hype. I think jail time would have been a good idea, even if only for a week or two. Back in December I got an aggressive driving ticket and when I went to court the judge saw my driving record and said that just fining me wouldnt do any good seeing as how I appeared to not learned my lesson any of the other times I was convicted for driving infractions. Then she gave me 10 day vacation and turns out she was right. Jail is a pretty big motivator to quit driving like a fucking idiot.

I wonder if this kids license was suspended completely or if he got a restricted to work and back. 20 years old, I'm willing to bet he doesn't learn his lesson after getting off so easy.

[FLUFFY]

Carlo, are you going up to SEMA this weekend?

[WS6]

If I were caught there and I wasn't in the 1st row, I'd argue that I wasn't racing, I was stuck behind the cars that had stopped on the highway and had to wait for them to go.

[Voodoo ST]

My question is: Did they get there cars back?

[Twelvz]

Anyone who laughed in court is a jackass.

And I can't believe anyone would want to send anyone to jail for a fucking traffic offense.

[MAD_DOHC]

He got off very, very lightly. I say numerous hours of traffic school to bore him, 1 year suspended license no restricted or work only crap, a weekend or two in jail and no car back. Sounds about right.

[FLUFFY]

He got off very, very lightly. I say numerous hours of traffic school to bore him, 1 year suspended license no restricted or work only crap, a weekend or two in jail and no car back. Sounds about right.
:thup: Though in Norfolk with his conviction, weekend jail would consist of showing up Saturday morning and picking up trash in different areas for about 3 hours then coming back on Sunday to do it again. It's more like community service that counts as jail time. Norfolk jail is over-populated and they don't have room for weekend jailbirds so alot of people get off easy on the jail time.

[(F-)]

fluffy, gtfo------->

[FLUFFY]

?

[(F-)]

do you know mike?

[FLUFFY]

I know a lot of Mikes.

[(F-)]

do you personally know mike, aaron, krispy, ect?

[FLUFFY]

Nope. But I'm sure you're about to tell me a little bit about them.

[(F-)]

no, faggot, i was going to tell you that you were an ass for passing judgement and wishing jail on people you dont know. If they were your friends, you would be singing a different tune.
so shut the fuck up

[VanillaThrilla]

why? jail is fun. you get your own clothes, they feed you pretty good food, you get a place to sleep, work out..


wait a sec. this sounds like the military...

I just spent this past weekend in jail and it was most definitely NOT fun

In there with a rapist, drug dealers, someone who is being charged with vehicular manslaughter for taking the lives of two parents by drinking and driving, etc. 32 other men. A toilet in the open. A shower. Terrible food. Nothing to do. Awful.

[FLUFFY]

no, faggot, i was going to tell you that you were an ass for passing judgement and wishing jail on people you dont know. If they were your friends, you would be singing a different tune.
so shut the fuck up
What the fuck does knowing someone have to do with having an opinion on what their punishment should have been? With the amount of money the city and state spent on this thing I'm kinda pissed that my tax dollars went to waste just to give these fucktards a slap on the wrist when there are drug dealers, rapists and murders out there running around. These law enforcement officials could have been applying their time a little more effectively if these shitheads werent going to be punished properly. No, I wouldnt be singing a different tune if they were my friends because I hang out with mature people who know the consequences of their actions and arent going to cry about the legal system should they get caught for breaking the law. Your friends are douchebags if they aren't mature or grown up enough to face the fact that they fucked up and so are you if you cant see that either.

[FLUFFY]

I just spent this past weekend in jail and it was most definitely NOT fun

In there with a rapist, drug dealers, someone who is being charged with vehicular manslaughter for taking the lives of two parents by drinking and driving, etc. 32 other men. A toilet in the open. A shower. Terrible food. Nothing to do. Awful.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.

Going to jail > paying a fine. At least when it comes to making you think twice about breaking the law. Jail can be a fucking eye opener and cause you to realize that. Paying a fine will only hurt your wallet for a little bit and maybe cause your insurance to go up. Going to jail includes both of those along with loss of freedom, loss of pay when you miss work, the most fucked up tasting food I wouldnt feed to a dog and some of the less desireable people to be having to share a cell with. When it comes to someone needing to learn a lesson, I'll wish jail upon anyone that needs a kick in the ass including myself.

l8apex, its not like they randomly pick social security numbers out of a hat and then send those people to jail. Your firiends got what they deserved and its looking to be pretty easy on them so be thankful for that.

[VanillaThrilla]

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

Going to jail > paying a fine. At least when it comes to making you think twice about breaking the law. Jail can be a fucking eye opener and cause you to realize that. Paying a fine will only hurt your wallet for a little bit and maybe cause your insurance to go up. Going to jail includes both of those along with loss of freedom, loss of pay when you miss work, the most fucked up tasting food I wouldnt feed to a dog and some of the less desireable people to be having to share a cell with. When it comes to someone needing to learn a lesson, I'll wish jail upon anyone that needs a kick in the ass including myself.

l8apex, its not like they randomly pick social security numbers out of a hat and then send those people to jail. Your firiends got what they deserved and its looking to be pretty easy on them so be thankful for that.


Yeah.. I posted about the experience on DailyOffTopic. Truly opened my eyes and changed the way that I am. I've had tickets before, paid fines, done driver improvement, community service, etc.. Never had a ticket like this one before (well above the speed limit on a motorcycle), and will never have another one after my experience this weekend.

I never have understood people that take jail so lightly. I thought it was awful. Call me a pansy if you'd like, but it really makes me appreciate how much freedom I really do have. I was beginning to feel claustraphic because I was in a small room with 32 other men and there was no where to go. It's not like I could walk over to the next room.. There IS no next room. There's no going outside.. No going to 711... You're there, and you're not going anywhere. It really opened my eyes.

I don't wish jail on anyone. I screwed up, and I paid the price, but I wouldn't wish it on anyone. It may, however, be the only way to wake people up. I don't think I would have changed had I not gone to jail. Fines are no good, but jail time really kicked me in the butt. I hate that I went to jail with rapists, drug dealers, etc over a speeding ticket--but ultimately I think it saved my own life and potentially others that I was endangering.

[(F-)]

What the fuck does knowing someone have to do with having an opinion on what their punishment should have been? With the amount of money the city and state spent on this thing I'm kinda pissed that my tax dollars went to waste just to give these fucktards a slap on the wrist when there are drug dealers, rapists and murders out there running around. These law enforcement officials could have been applying their time a little more effectively if these shitheads werent going to be punished properly. No, I wouldnt be singing a different tune if they were my friends because I hang out with mature people who know the consequences of their actions and arent going to cry about the legal system should they get caught for breaking the law. Your friends are douchebags if they aren't mature or grown up enough to face the fact that they fucked up and so are you if you cant see that either.

look dude. 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999% of the members of this site have streetraced at one point or another. and the .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000001 who say they havent are lying. most if not all of the 757 og's have raced at 564 at one point
The dudes who got busted know they fucked up, why would you wish jail on them? If your pissed about wasted taxmoney, bitch about the cops putting on the sting in the first place, not the fact that the punishment wasent harsh.
I really hope you are playing with somebody on the street someday and get busted and go to jail.
karma is a bitch

[(F-)]

<----- 93 days in jail, two years probaition, 1 years suspended lincense for streetracing/evaision/resisting arrest/attempted assult on an officer with a deadly weapon (veihicle)
I know what jail is like, I dont wish that shit on anyone

[FLUFFY]

Very true. The first couple days I was locked up I was in a cell with a guy that kept whipping his dick out everytime the nurse came around to give people their medications or everytime a female deputy would make rounds. No clue what he was in there for but I wasn't about to ask him. Then I got moved to the open bay cells with like 20 other people and that was just as fucked up if not more. Hearing what some of them were in for I definitely felt out of place for being in there due to aggressive driving. But that shit definitely helped me realize that driving laws are there for a reason. I know I didnt think it was that big of a deal seeing how most my tickets before were for shit that I thought was petty. But when you're putting others lifes at risk or making them feel uncomfortable on the road then you are violating their rights to the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness. Such as with the 564 incident which was brought to law enforcements attention by other motorists on the road.

[BLU CIVIC]

i spent on night in jail for a traffic violation...never again...and just b/c it was your friends that got got busted doesn't mean a thang...you know their CRIME just as well as anyone...every one know the consequences of their actions, and like i said before...since this was the first major bust in the Tidewater area...make an example out of them...your only argument on why they shouldn't go to jail is because it is a "traffic violation"...i'd give them a choice...jail or car impounded

[(F-)]

look dumbass, i said it is gay to wish jail on anyone for a traffic violation.
is that confuseing? for fucks sake, READ THE WHOLE POST

[Black Nugget]

Like everyone else says, it appears that they got off very lightly. Consider yourself rather lucky.
Personally, I'd agree with a lot of people here. People keep saying that a bit of jail time would set them straight - I think that being threatened to loose their cars, that should do the trick just fine. After all this drama, most likely none of these individuals will race again - whether it be organized on the interstate or random light to light.

To everyone thats left, best of luck in court.

[BLU CIVIC]

i said it is gay to wish jail on anyone for a traffic violation.



...your only argument on why they shouldn't go to jail is because it is a "traffic violation"...

actually i read the whole thing...if it up to were me...they'd already be serving time

[(F-)]

well if it was up to me, you would be serving time

[BLU CIVIC]

well if it was up to me, you would be serving time

lol :rolleyes: ...flash back to callin names in elementry school

[FLUFFY]

look dude. 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999% of the members of this site have streetraced at one point or another. and the .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000001 who say they havent are lying. most if not all of the 757 og's have raced at 564 at one point
The dudes who got busted know they fucked up, why would you wish jail on them? If your pissed about wasted taxmoney, bitch about the cops putting on the sting in the first place, not the fact that the punishment wasent harsh.
I really hope you are playing with somebody on the street someday and get busted and go to jail.
karma is a bitch
You are totally missing my point. I'm sure these same people who got busted have had other tickets for shit before and knew they fucked up then just as they know they fucked up now. Just knowing you fucked up doesnt change anything. Actually learning from it is a whole different story though. Why would I bitch about the cops putting on the sting operation when they were just doing their jobs? I can't say that I've never street raced before but I can say that after going to jail for something less offensive I realized the shit just isnt worth it. There is nothing on this planet worth going back to jail for and I am in complete control of keeping that from happening. Karma can keep on being a bitch.

[(F-)]

actually, they dont (tickets for the same thing) their just young kids

[FLUFFY]

actually, they dont (tickets for the same thing) their just young kids
"They dont" as in this is their first offense ever? No speeding tickets or any other moving violations? That might explain why the judge is letting them off easy.

[BLU CIVIC]

actually i don't wish jail time on them...easiest way for them to learn:

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-867

§ 46.2-867. Racing; seizure of motor vehicle.

If the owner of a motor vehicle (i) is convicted of racing such vehicle in a prearranged, organized, and planned speed competition in violation of § 46.2-865, (ii) is present in the vehicle which is being operated by another in violation of § 46.2-865, and knowingly consents to the racing, or (iii) is convicted of a violation of § 46.2-865.1, the vehicle shall be seized and disposed of in the manner provided in §§ 4.1-339 through 4.1-348 for seizure and forfeiture of conveyances or vehicles used in the illegal transportation of alcoholic beverages. Such sections shall apply mutatis mutandis.

The penalties imposed by these sections are in addition to any other penalty imposed by law.

(1972, c. 702, § 46.1-191.2; 1989, c. 727; 1993, c. 866; 2004, c. 859.)

[Royalty]

Fluffy > l8apex

Take a second and think from the stand point of an ordainary Joe trying to go home down 564 on any given night. Street racers are no where near professionals and with then imagining the amount of things that could go wrogn i dont see why jail time for endagerinlg lives is such a bad thing.

You can argue that no one was on 564, THAT NIGHT, but i see racers gogin down 264 and 64 alike and there i sno tiem when those are free of drivers.

I had a friend out there that night and I feel for him I really do. But he knows that shit he did was stupid and I cant help but think whatever the judge does to him is fair.

Gotta pay to play and if you wanna break the law you should be expected to pay for it. Plain and simple.

[(F-)]

why do you want terrible things to happen to people who commited a victimless crime? and honestly, you are an incredibly stupid/mean indvidual. mostlys stupid tho

[(F-)]

Fluffy > l8apex

Take a second and think from the stand point of an ordainary Joe trying to go home down 564 on any given night. Street racers are no where near professionals and with then imagining the amount of things that could go wrogn i dont see why jail time for endagerinlg lives is such a bad thing.

You can argue that no one was on 564, THAT NIGHT, but i see racers gogin down 264 and 64 alike and there i sno tiem when those are free of drivers.

I had a friend out there that night and I feel for him I really do. But he knows that shit he did was stupid and I cant help but think whatever the judge does to him is fair.

Gotta pay to play and if you wanna break the law you should be expected to pay for it. Plain and simple.




no shit bone-head butt the fuck out of here with your shitbox

[Black Nugget]

I'm sort of torn in the middle of this. One side says that perhaps they should get a bit of jail time - scared straight. I've never had the pleasure of being sent to jail for any driving infractions, however do know a few people who have. Maybe it does take a bit of time behind bars to realize that it doesn't pay. On the flip side though, over 70% of criminals return back to prison after parole, from convicted crimes. So... saying that jail time will guarentee to scare these kids back to normal is not 100% true.
I would not wish jail time on anyone, not for a traffic violation anyway. If someone was commiting a serious crime (murder, rape, robbery) - yes, friend or not they deserve what is coming to them. However in this situation, illegal organized street racing I believe the individuals should encounter excessive fines and probation period - with the possibility of jail time if they mess up again. With the scare of loosing their cars, I believe these inviduals are going to be too scared to race again, or atleast hope so.

[BLU CIVIC]

why do you want terrible things to happen to people who commited a victimless crime? and honestly, you are an incredibly stupid/mean indvidual. mostlys stupid tho

victimless this time...terrible things?? that quote was taken directly out of the Virginia State Law...they broke the law...punishment fits the crime...so many times people want the law bent in their favor b/c they feel like theirs is a "special" case...make an example so others will learn

[FLUFFY]

why do you want terrible things to happen to people who commited a victimless crime? and honestly, you are an incredibly stupid/mean indvidual. mostlys stupid tho
It may have been a crime with no innocent victims but that isnt always the case. Do a search on google for "street racing/deaths" and I'm sure you'll get results on innocent people killed because of a couple kids wanting to street race. The cops are trying to keep things like this from happening around here on a regular basis like out in Cali.

[(F-)]

i came from cali, thats where i was busted. street racing is bad. no shit. the punishment is bad. no shit. now why in the fuck do you wish that their punishment was more severe? even when this could have been uou at one point?

[uglyDC2]

i'm kinda torn on this also on one hand it is just basiclly a traffic violation but on the flipside everybody knew that place was being watched so to those who did get caught its not like a huge surprise

kinda curious to see what happens to the rest of everybody invovled that night

[FLUFFY]

i came from cali, thats where i was busted. street racing is bad. no shit. the punishment is bad. no shit. now why in the fuck do you wish that their punishment was more severe? even when this could have been uou at one point?
If you know its so bad and know that the punishments are bad then you would see where I am coming from with my opinion. I wish their punishment was severe because everytime something like this happens more heat gets put on the rest of us who arent out breaking the laws. And with this being in the media right now then more younger people are going to see exactly what the consequences of their actions would be and hopefully learn from others mistakes. I know just about everyone here has something on their car that is in violation of state law whether it be tint, exhaust, tires and shit like that. Right now the cops dont crack down too hard on these things because not all of them know exactly what constitutes a violation, but they are catching on quick. If you are from Cali then you should know that staying out of the police's headlights is good for the group. I know I dont want cops busting out tape measures and popping my hood everytime I get pulled over. Here things are still relatively easy on us when it comes to modifying. Take the state law on exhaust. To sum it up it says that exhaust must be equivilant to stock and no louder than any other vehicle on the road with such type exhaust. That is left wide the hell open for interpretation and is left to the discretion of the officer. Equivilant to stock could mean that it looks, sounds or is made by the same company. No louder than any other car could mean any other car of the same type or any stock car at all. And we all know that not all cars sound the same straight from the factory. I tried fighting an exhaust ticket in court and lost even though my exhaust is DOT approved. DOT approved doesnt mean shit when it comes to state laws. When it comes down to it, cops are going to stereotype anyone with a modified car with street racers, especially imports, because thats generally the genre that gets caught doing stupid shit. So when someone gets pulled over and the cop knows a little about the state law and whats legal, he/she is going to hand out every violation that they can. Though other domestic cars and motorcylces such as Harleys may be much louder than ours, they dont get put in the spotlight as much because for the most part, they arent out doing the stupid shit that people in our scene do. Its kinda fucked up but true. So yes, when I say I wish their punishment was more severe I mean it. I don't like being stereo-typed because I drive an import with modifications due to things such as idiots that like to come to a complete stop on an interstate and race. There is a track right across the border in NC, Dinwiddie, and Richmond where your friends can race all they want and not have to worry about cops or giving us negative attention.

[Twelvz]

robbers, rapists and murders out there running around...concentrate on that shit. Thats where tax dollars should be going! I see regular dumbasses in regular dumbass cars everyday doing dumbass driving on the road, they are putting other people at more of a risk than 1/2 the people who have ran on 564, throw those in jail? nah...wtf is the difference, nothing.
IF they had killed or hurt someone then throw them in jail.


i said it is gay to wish jail on anyone for a traffic violation.


BINGO
Fine the shit out of them, take their license away, but don't throw them in jail!

victemless crimes IMO should not be punishable with jail time. Until an act ("crime") effects someone outside of the people doing it (example hookers and johns shouldn't be put in jail, they agreed on something). Do drugs? Who fucking cares, crash a schoolbus full of kids while on drugs...jail.

[DOHC crx VTEC]

Alright,

I know no one may care BUT I feel like saying my view on this. The punishment I would think that would be find would have to be, Year suspended liscence as stated before, Car impounded for 1 month, 800 bucks to get car back and that's it really. I mean Come on, Jail time? People robbing store's and shit get off easier then that. I honestly think the Judge, trooper's what have you took this too seriously. I mean there's a difference between convicting us and letting us go with Tickets and warnings of your mistake that you made and Pissing us off with jail time. I mean seriously, Did they hurt anyone when they were racing??? Were there any victim's? Some may say the people BEHIND the racers were victim's, but I mean no one got hurt. Some may have just gotten pissed that their commute was a little bit delayed for like 30 seconds or so. People have been street racing on 564 for a longggg, long time!!!! They took it a little toooo far in my opinion.

[Royalty]

no shit bone-head butt the fuck out of here with your shitbox

Wow that was insiteful, now do me a favor and make a post that doesnt make you look like a total jaskass.

[Royalty]

Fluffy > l8apex




no shit bone-head


At least we agree on something

[VanillaThrilla]

Some people still have the 16 year old mentality that street racing isn't a crime. I'm not being a hypocrite... I've done it, and I can't say I'll never take the bait one day when another SRT-4 blows off on me or I have a Civic hatch revving at me on the highway, but I will never attend an organized street race again. If I take the bait, I'm doing it knowing it's illegal and knowing what the consequences are.

For anyone to say the police are wasting their time messing with street racers, you have a lot of growing up to do. I have nothing against you personally if you have that sort of mentality, but I think when you mature a bit more you'll understand that it's illegal and that's all that matters. You are probably also griping about police messing with your modified cars, which are illegal. They enforce the laws--they don't create them, first of all.

When you have a family of your own and some kid in a Civic is racing some kid in an Integra, and one of them plows into the mini-van driven by the love of your life (your wife), killing your two children and your wife.. you'll think much differently about the police wasting their time. Then you'll be pissed that they "weren't doing their job" and that they should have been there.. etc. Seriously.

I think it's ridiculous to say they should not be punished for breaking the law engaging in a street race unless someone is hurt, or killed. Do you know why people get hurt and killed? Because people keep getting away with it and continue racing until something happens to stop them, whether it be a traffic accident, jail time, etc. You're going to keep putting your hand on the stove until you get burnt.. right? I did.

[DOHC crx VTEC]

Zero Cool, That post made me think differently. That's all.

[MerF]

Ok, my ADD kicked into overdrive with the long posts in the thread, but I'm pretty sure noone mentioned this fact:

This first conviction was LIGHT, and the moron appealed it. Why the fuck would you do that.

That's all I really feel like saying at the moment.

[VanillaThrilla]

My point is that if you don't punish someone for doing something illegal when someone doesn't get hurt or killed, they'll continue doing it until something like that happens. Right? Of course.

By punishing people severely when something DOESN'T happen, it will hopefully prevent something from EVENTUALLY happening when they continue to screw up, because they WON'T usually continue to screw up if the punishment is severe. Do you not see that? It would be stupid to only punish for crimes if someone was hurt.

[Black Nugget]

Ok, my ADD kicked into overdrive with the long posts in the thread, but I'm pretty sure noone mentioned this fact:

This first conviction was LIGHT, and the moron appealed it. Why the fuck would you do that.

That's all I really feel like saying at the moment.

Personally I am wondering if it was his choice to appeal, or his lawyers. If I was in his shoes, there is no way I would appeal that ruling. In fact I would leave the courtroom with a smile!

[non-vtecpower]

Some people still have the 16 year old mentality that street racing isn't a crime. I'm not being a hypocrite... I've done it, and I can't say I'll never take the bait one day when another SRT-4 blows off on me or I have a Civic hatch revving at me on the highway, but I will never attend an organized street race again. If I take the bait, I'm doing it knowing it's illegal and knowing what the consequences are.

For anyone to say the police are wasting their time messing with street racers, you have a lot of growing up to do. I have nothing against you personally if you have that sort of mentality, but I think when you mature a bit more you'll understand that it's illegal and that's all that matters. You are probably also griping about police messing with your modified cars, which are illegal. They enforce the laws--they don't create them, first of all.

When you have a family of your own and some kid in a Civic is racing some kid in an Integra, and one of them plows into the mini-van driven by the love of your life (your wife), killing your two children and your wife.. you'll think much differently about the police wasting their time. Then you'll be pissed that they "weren't doing their job" and that they should have been there.. etc. Seriously.

I think it's ridiculous to say they should not be punished for breaking the law engaging in a street race unless someone is hurt, or killed. Do you know why people get hurt and killed? Because people keep getting away with it and continue racing until something happens to stop them, whether it be a traffic accident, jail time, etc. You're going to keep putting your hand on the stove until you get burnt.. right? I did.


:thup:

[Twelvz]

I know cops don't make laws, I disagree with some tactics they use and some actions they target, but I understand some of these operations are done b/c it comes down from above.

There are ways to get your point across w/o throwing people in jail...thats my bottom line.

[Black Nugget]

^^ I am kind of wondering what 'tactics & actions they target' you disagree with? If you are speaking of them hiding in the bushes video taping the illegal street racing... then I am seriously confused.
As stated in this thread several times, street racing is illegal - the officers are doing their job in enforcing that law. You can't expect them to just 'turn their heads' when it comes down to this. Street Racing on 564 is not new, its been done for several years - during the 2005 summer it grew rather large again. Fortunately there were no accidents or injuries, however I do agree with Zerocool - if there would have been, perhaps some opinions would be different right now.

[it_broke_again]

One of the people involved asked me if i wanted to race the other night. He was dead serious too; this was also not long after he just told us about his night in jail the week before. Some people will never learn.

[DC2_R]

It's just a bad situation. Hope they don't lose their cars

[VanillaThrilla]

I completely agree that jail is a harsh punishment, man.. but I speak from experience. I screwed up time and time again when I got tickets, fines, etc because it really wasn't a big enough wake up call to shell out a few hundred bucks and have my insurance go up a tad.. When I was put in handcuffs and taken to jail, that was my wake up call! Then to further enforce the point, they let me spend a weekend in a jail cell with people who were in there for much more severe crimes who thought I was kidding when I said I was in there for speeding on my motorcycle. NOW, I can honestly look back and say that this has made a huge impact on my life for the better. I learn things the hard way sometimes, and this is what it took to straighten me up.

[Black Nugget]

Zero Cool - unfortunately your level of maturity is a lot higher than a majority of the public. While you have taken this experience in your life and used it to benefit yourself, to grow up and realize it doesn't pay... some people do not share the same opinions. I do know a few individuals who have spent time in jail for traffic pulls, a majority of them still drive reckless to this day.
While I think that jail time would shake up things quite a bit, personally I feel as though the thread of losing their vehicle has done a pretty good job too.

[BLU CIVIC]

only way they'll learn is to have their car impounded or crushed...lose your car and you'll learn quick...unless you don't care

[DOHC crx VTEC]

only way they'll learn is to have their car impounded or crushed...lose your car and you'll learn quick...unless you don't care
They won't care if mommy and daddy put that money into there cars..

[Terry@Fortune]

who wants to street race? I bet 5$ I can beat you

[Black Nugget]

I'll take that bet! You choose the time and location, I'll choose the rules! :cool:

My 4Runner versus your Elise. Tie a 100ft rope to each of our cars and drive in opposite direction. First one to pass 200ft mark, wins! :D

[SlowLS]

Wow, the ignorance is very high in this post. Why do you consider his punishment light? Becuase he didn't have to go to jail? cause he only had to pay $500? But he does not get his damn car back. Thats light to you? For his to actually get his car back, he has to take the city of norfolk to civil court. Who do you think will win that case? I would take jail time over losing my car anyday. So to me, he didn't get off too light.

Now as far as the whole innocent bystanders thing. Why did people race at 564? Because it was probably the safest place to actually street race. Much safer than running from stop lights. Motorists complained becuase they probably got stuck behind a group of stopped cars. How long have people been racing at 564? Years. How many death/injuries or accidents happened out there due to street racing? I haven't heard of any.

[Twelvz]

^^ I am kind of wondering what 'tactics & actions they target' you disagree with? If you are speaking of them hiding in the bushes video taping the illegal street racing...

No I'm not talking about the bushes thing etc. 564 Had gotten out of hand IMO and needed to be shut down.

tactics and actions I'm referring to in general...like sting operations involving hookers. Friend of a friend was in Vegas, chick starts hitting on him, she asks what do you do, he says "I'm an east coast cop" she says "oh I can't do this to you, professional courtesy" and flashes her badge. Setting dudes up to throw their asses in jail over pussy...that kinda shit bothers me.

The weekend "jail" community service would be a better fitting punishment (along with a fine). You disturbed the community, time to pay it back, clean this place up etc. Jail is not positive it may keep them from not doing it again, but taking my weekends away for 6 months along with my license and putting a deep dent in my pocket would keep me from doing it.

[SlowLS]

only way they'll learn is to have their car impounded or crushed...lose your car and you'll learn quick...unless you don't care
Their cars are impounded, and they have to take the city to civil court to get them back, unless they are found not guilty.

[Black Nugget]

Their cars are impounded, and they have to take the city to civil court to get them back, unless they are found not guilty.

John, referring back to the original post by Cargee - I was under the impression that the vehicle was given back. However, reading it again I did see the line "Prosecutors have sought to take ownership of seven of the seized cars. Those cases have not yet been heard."
Reading what you have stated, it seems that their vehicles are still in possession of the state, until those dates. Am I right?

[SlowLS]

John, referring back to the original post by Cargee - I was under the impression that the vehicle was given back. However, reading it again I did see the line "Prosecutors have sought to take ownership of seven of the seized cars. Those cases have not yet been heard."
Reading what you have stated, it seems that their vehicles are still in possession of the state, until those dates. Am I right?
Yeah. I talked to mike right after he got out of court, and to a couple other people that cars were impounded. The traffic case has nothing to do with them getting their cars back. They all received letters in the mail say if they want to try and get their cars back, that have to take the city to civil court and try.

[BLU CIVIC]

Yeah. I talked to mike right after he got out of court, and to a couple other people that cars were impounded. The traffic case has nothing to do with them getting their cars back. They all received letters in the mail say if they want to try and get their cars back, that have to take the city to civil court and try.

almost sounds like a threat :D

[Black Nugget]

Yeah. I talked to mike right after he got out of court, and to a couple other people that cars were impounded. The traffic case has nothing to do with them getting their cars back. They all received letters in the mail say if they want to try and get their cars back, that have to take the city to civil court and try.

Ah, this is completely new information to me. Then again, I do retract my previous statement about 'getting off lightly'. I'll wait until after the hearing regarding the owners getting their vehicles back before making any assumptions.

[SlowLS]

Ah, this is completely new information to me. Then again, I do retract my previous statement about 'getting off lightly'. I'll wait until after the hearing regarding the owners getting their vehicles back before making any assumptions.
Yeah I agree the punishment was light, which is why I asked mike why he appealed it. Becuase if you loose an appeal, everything pretty much doubles. But if he can win the case, he gets his car back with the touble of civil court. The whole no car thing though, is not a light punishment.

[Black Nugget]

:confused: - I think you might have messed up the wording on that one. Do you mean that "but if he can win the case, he gets his car back without the trouble of civic court" ?

[SlowLS]

:confused: - I think you might have messed up the wording on that one. Do you mean that "but if he can win the case, he gets his car back without the trouble of civic court" ?
yeah, thats what I meant.

[Black Nugget]

Oh - that explains MerF's question as to why he appealed the ruling.

[SlowLS]

I think fluffy is jumping on a bandwagon here. Just got done reading another post reguarding the whole 564 thing where he posted a few days ago showing some simpathy for the people that got their cars impounded. Everyone completely jumped his shit for it, Not he is doing the same thing here. Fluffy STFU.

[Wholegrain]

This might sound crazy but they said that they watched this for over a month. So If someone was drag racing down the highway and killed someone would you not think the cop are somewhat responsible for letting the racing go on for so long without putting a stop to it. Not saying it happened that just sounds a little irresponsible.

My 2 cents not worth much

[Black Nugget]

Understanding where you are coming from, you also have to remember that they prefer not to act without a solid evidence. The police could continue to break up the street racing every weekend, and participants can continue attending the very next weekend. The only way to put a true stop to 564 was to do a serious sting operation against the participants.
In my opinion, the police were smart with the way they handled things. They had a month of good solid footage (minus the unsteady camera) of participation of organized illegal street racing. So once they did finally raid 564, they had enough proof to show the judges and general public why this investigation was made.
Sure, during that month of filming they did endanger the general public that was traveling down 564. However, this is a risk that they had to take to ensure their case was solid - to save the general public in the future.
Yes, I do understand there are no records of anyone being injured soley due to the activities made on 564 - but accidents do happen. That does not mean that these actions could have gone on forever with nothing bad happening.

[1BDAZM]

They do the crime they should serve the time. My boy back in the day went to jail for racing he got like 20 days I think. This dudes lawyer sounds like a loser is he using a public defender??? If they let one off they have to let them all off. I mean everyone here knows they were racing. Sounds like the judge let him off easy.

[SlowLS]

The police had no evidence in court. Mike said all the had was wha tthe officer testified to. No video or anything, owe and a picture of him sitting in his car, like the one in the newspaper, just to prove he was a driver.

[FLUFFY]

I think fluffy is jumping on a bandwagon here. Just got done reading another post reguarding the whole 564 thing where he posted a few days ago showing some simpathy for the people that got their cars impounded. Everyone completely jumped his shit for it, Not he is doing the same thing here. Fluffy STFU.
Had you read it right you would see that I said I had sympathy as far as them losing their cars and NOT for the reason they were taken. I feel for anyone that loses a car but that doesnt mean I have to feel for the reason they were taken. I'm sure the guys that got busted are great people and all but that shouldn't exclude them from the punishments they are facing.

[SlowLS]

Had you read it right you would see that I said I had sympathy as far as them losing their cars and NOT for the reason they were taken. I feel for anyone that loses a car, that doesnt mean I have to feel for them on the reason they were taken.
It's ok man. It's not your fault.

[1BDAZM]

They can get there cars back all they have to do is a volunteerary repo they do not own those cars there for they can not take them. Them buy them back from the back that is what my buddy was gonna do when they took his car and he went to jail for racing...




They should just out ran the cops like on The Fast and Furious... I am watching it now getting some tips.

[MAD_DOHC]

Why did people race at 564? Because it was probably the safest place to actually street race. Much safer than running from stop lights. Motorists complained becuase they probably got stuck behind a group of stopped cars. How long have people been racing at 564? Years. How many death/injuries or accidents happened out there due to street racing? I haven't heard of any.

I really don't think "safety" had anything to do with their choice to race there. Like you said, people have been racing 564 for years. Why? Let's see, very long straight away, nicely paved and to my knowledge, never a big bust before. That's where your safety comes into play. They felt safe they wouldn't get caught, even though numerous people already said/told them it was being watched. For Christ sake you could watch on Jam Cam from the internet.

For all you ignorant shits that say jail time is too harsh, think for a minute. I don't think anyone here is saying they need 1 year or 6 months in jail. I know I said a weekend or two and most probably agree with that. It's more a scared straight thing than a punishment. A weekend in jail is enough time for anyone with sense to realize they shouldn't want to go back.

For all the dumbass kids that got their car taken: I'm sure you or your friends were aware that racing on the street means they can, and apparently, will take your car. You knew the consequences before it happened. I take back saying I hope your cars get crushed. I hope they go to auction and you have to pay even more to get them back.

Yes, I have street raced many times before and probably will again. I'm also smart enough to know where to do these things, i.e where cops don't frequent. I know the consequences in it and accept it.

[SlowLS]

They can get there cars back all they have to do is a volunteerary repo they do not own those cars there for they can not take them. Them buy them back from the back that is what my buddy was gonna do when they took his car and he went to jail for racing...




They should just out ran the cops like on The Fast and Furious... I am watching it now getting some tips.
What did you just say? Try that one again. The only way for the people to get their cars back, if they already have not, is to take the city to court and tra=y and win the case against them. I know 4 of the 7 people that have their cars in impound, and they all received a letter in the mail stating what they had to do. And they have to do it within 30 days of the letter.

[VanillaThrilla]

LOL! If it was that easy to get your car back (by doing a voluntary reposession), then it wouldn't even be a concern. It's definitely NOT that easy.

[(F-)]

john your an ass, i compleatly fixed the sentra, but i was lonely

[Nigerian Hair]

to all the people that are saying "they got off lightly"...i dont understand your reasoning behind those statements..but i guess everyone has their own opinions.

The news,news papers,along with the state police had already explained the seriousness of the situation to everyone..and explained what kind of consequences the Actions harbored against anyone. so for people to be saying everyone got off lightly is kind of ignorant to the situation,given the facts.

its like someone warning you that when the glass bottle falls off the table,its only going to crack,and not break..but since Most of the time glass bottles break,you say "well it should have shattered",Even though they told you before hand what was going to happen.


as far as some of the people in this thread...i dont understand how the majority of people in this thread,have in fact raced,on 564..but since they didnt get caught,564 is now a "stupid" place to run,or the people involved are stupid. If they never had surveillance,and police coming in to break it up,they would still be showing up. Shit..some of the people in this thread,who i will not name...Ive seen on video doing atleast 120-140 on that road...but like i said,everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[Royalty]

street racing is stupid no matter how you look at it.

[WS6]

We got lucky one night on 564 a couple years back, 3 wide and 4 or 5 cars deep.
everyone stopped and getting ready to run when a state troopers pulls up on teh shoulder next to us thinking that there might have been an accident.

People started to honk to try and let the first row know that the trooper was here, but they heard the honking and then took off, then the trooper took off after them.

As soon as the 3 cars and the trooper took off, I proceded to do my burnout and then launched right after them. :)

there are a few people here that should remember that night.

[MAD_DOHC]

as far as some of the people in this thread...i dont understand how the majority of people in this thread,have in fact raced,on 564..but since they didnt get caught,564 is now a "stupid" place to run,or the people involved are stupid. If they never had surveillance,and police coming in to break it up,they would still be showing up. Shit..some of the people in this thread,who i will not name...Ive seen on video doing atleast 120-140 on that road...but like i said,everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

You said some parts correctly. Let's look at the word "raced". That would be in the past tense, meaning in the past. Most of the people that "raced" on 564 do not anymore because they either grew out of it, realized it was stupid and could get caught (what a concept), or heard that the place was being looked at and were smart enough not to race there anymore.

Yes, the people involved were stupid to race there. Also, people in the past were stupid to race there but all knew the risks that were being taken. They just weren't caught. If they were caught, we would be calling them stupid.

I still think that you are the smartest one of the group because at least you took responsibility for what you did and are/were willing to accept the consequences. For that, I hope you get your car back.

For the rest of the dumbshits, especially the guy that appealed his ruling (idiot), I hope your cars are sent to auction and good luck buying them back.

[DOHC crx VTEC]

We got lucky one night on 564 a couple years back, 3 wide and 4 or 5 cars deep.
everyone stopped and getting ready to run when a state troopers pulls up on teh shoulder next to us thinking that there might have been an accident.

People started to honk to try and let the first row know that the trooper was here, but they heard the honking and then took off, then the trooper took off after them.

As soon as the 3 cars and the trooper took off, I proceded to do my burnout and then launched right after them. :)

there are a few people here that should remember that night.

HAHAHA!!! I was a passenger that night:D that was a while back... I can't even remember what I was riding in.

[SlowLS]

HAHAHA!!! I was a passenger that night:D that was a while back... I can't even remember what I was riding in.
You would have been either 12 or 13 back them. Highly doubt you were there for that one.

[Deirdrea ccchr]

Some people still have the 16 year old mentality that street racing isn't a crime. I'm not being a hypocrite... I've done it, and I can't say I'll never take the bait one day when another SRT-4 blows off on me or I have a Civic hatch revving at me on the highway, but I will never attend an organized street race again. If I take the bait, I'm doing it knowing it's illegal and knowing what the consequences are.

For anyone to say the police are wasting their time messing with street racers, you have a lot of growing up to do. I have nothing against you personally if you have that sort of mentality, but I think when you mature a bit more you'll understand that it's illegal and that's all that matters. You are probably also griping about police messing with your modified cars, which are illegal. They enforce the laws--they don't create them, first of all.

When you have a family of your own and some kid in a Civic is racing some kid in an Integra, and one of them plows into the mini-van driven by the love of your life (your wife), killing your two children and your wife.. you'll think much differently about the police wasting their time. Then you'll be pissed that they "weren't doing their job" and that they should have been there.. etc. Seriously.

I think it's ridiculous to say they should not be punished for breaking the law engaging in a street race unless someone is hurt, or killed. Do you know why people get hurt and killed? Because people keep getting away with it and continue racing until something happens to stop them, whether it be a traffic accident, jail time, etc. You're going to keep putting your hand on the stove until you get burnt.. right? I did.


Zero, you are so right. Thank you. dee

[DOHC crx VTEC]

You would have been either 12 or 13 back them. Highly doubt you were there for that one.


13. I started going out to the spot when I was 12..

[SlowLS]

13. I started going out to the spot when I was 12..
ANd yet no one still really knows who you are. I take it your parents were never nominated for parents of the year.

[SignfcntOthr]

I read this earlier, and it just gets funnier. Did the dude's lawyer really ask "Where's the trophy?" What a 'tard. Bro, whoever you are, resign your appeal and just take the punishment. Considering all the hubbub it's not that bad. I know people who have spent time in jail for lesser offenses!

[DOHC crx VTEC]

ANd yet no one still really knows who you are. I take it your parents were never nominated for parents of the year.

And your parent's were? Dude, I was "shy" I had just started going out there, learning more and more about car's. I mean really, who's going to pay attention to some one who didn't have a car nor knew much about them back in the day? Yeah, my thought's exactly. You may stop being a dick now. Thanks John :D

[~*Mekana*~]

I wasn't even in that mess, mindin my own business in the parkin lot that night.. Im still gettin sh** 4 it & another court date 2 come.. THIS SUX!!!

[DOHC crx VTEC]

I wasn't even in that mess, mindin my own business in the parkin lot that night.. Im still gettin sh** 4 it & another court date 2 come.. THIS SUX!!!

oh wait, you were the girl driving will's lude?!?!

[JSL1CE]

i just think its funny that people were STILL going to the spot I almost got caught back when i went to ODU, and have seen many other people get caught at, and they STILL act surprised that this happened. lol.

[boogie]

Crazy stuff!

[volklover]

No I'm not talking about the bushes thing etc. 564 Had gotten out of hand IMO and needed to be shut down.

tactics and actions I'm referring to in general...like sting operations involving hookers. Friend of a friend was in Vegas, chick starts hitting on him, she asks what do you do, he says "I'm an east coast cop" she says "oh I can't do this to you, professional courtesy" and flashes her badge. Setting dudes up to throw their asses in jail over pussy...that kinda shit bothers me.

The weekend "jail" community service would be a better fitting punishment (along with a fine). You disturbed the community, time to pay it back, clean this place up etc. Jail is not positive it may keep them from not doing it again, but taking my weekends away for 6 months along with my license and putting a deep dent in my pocket would keep me from doing it.
First of all- I'm from CA, and believe you were caught street racing you should lose your car, if there is a lien on the car then you have to worry about getting a repo on your record! And if you watching you should get fined!
But the story above about the Hooker in Vegas- seems a little false to me since prostitution is legal in Vegas- The girls have to get checked regularly, atleast that was the old law!

[Twelvz]

But the story above about the Hooker in Vegas- seems a little false to me since prostitution is legal in Vegas- The girls have to get checked regularly, atleast that was the old law!

It's not false and prostitution is not, and has never been legal in Vegas. NV has 8 counties, Vegas in in Clark county...the ONLY county in the state where prositution is illegal. While the current mayor is trying to change that, it is and has been the law...

[volklover]

Yes- the law is: Nevada law prohibits prostitution in counties which have populations greater than 400,000. But they are trying to change that~

[Paul]

<---two years probaition

Wow, in two years you didn't learn how to spell it?

[ProbeGT-ZE]

anybody remember the story of that kid in CA that was street racing against someone down some neighborhood street and got into an accident? that sounds kinda common except for the part where they mention that he killed the mother, the two daughters, and the grandmother in the car, then they mentioned that it was HIS mom, HIS sisters, and HIS grandmother in the van. he lived through it all, so now he's got to live with the fact that he killed them. to me, knowing that even though that conicidence is almost impossible to re-create, the sheer fact that it CAN happen would make me (and anyone else i would hope) think twice about street racing...just my 2c on the issue

[KhanArtisT]

anybody remember the story of that kid in CA that was street racing against someone down some neighborhood street and got into an accident? that sounds kinda common except for the part where they mention that he killed the mother, the two daughters, and the grandmother in the car, then they mentioned that it was HIS mom, HIS sisters, and HIS grandmother in the van. he lived through it all, so now he's got to live with the fact that he killed them. to me, knowing that even though that conicidence is almost impossible to re-create, the sheer fact that it CAN happen would make me (and anyone else i would hope) think twice about street racing...just my 2c on the issue

You dont' have to point out how stupid racing in a neighborhood street is.

[Hatch Man(GsR)]

Thats like racing through a school zone...

[(F-)]

Wow, in two years you didn't learn how to spell it?
spelling i have no problem with, its the brain/keyboard interface that sucks

[B18A1Integra]

The fact is they all were speeding at high rates of speed and at one momment something terrible could have gone wrong and they lose control of the car. The only lucky thing to say is no one was on that stretch of road to be harmed. The fines and lose of car are a punishement but jail time isn't something that would change those peoples mind right away. Some people it takes something really horrific like having to think that they killed someone racing. Some people are taking other peoples opinions too serious saying they should have gotten jail time. In my belief jail time might help a few of those 9 people. Plus the fact is some of those guys are 20 years old and they choose to drive their cars on 564 that night and unfortunately they got caught at the wrong place, wrong time, and the wrong thing to do on a road that its maximum speed limit is 60mph. He might have not been racing but the way the story is written it sure sounds like racing i mean if it was just him going like 100mph its not racing but it was nine people going probably the same speed. The people that got caught are lucky they were no accidents so they them selves are alive too.

[audiophile24]

i dont see why the newcomers forget the golden rule"MOVE YOUR SPOTS" race consistently at one spot all of the time and YOU WILL GET BUSTED. learned that from bluecrab road back in the day

[shawn86mr2]

spelling i have no problem with, its the brain/keyboard interface that sucks
Nice. I like that one..

[h22eghatch]

i was wondering what yall think is gunna happen to me this comming tuesday im going for my second street racing.im 18 now when i got my first one i was 17 and its been dropped cause i did 30 day in rappahanock juvinile center.now i have this second one my driving record is clean, i took a driver improvment class,have a job.i think im going to lose my license get like 2 weeks in jail,and a fine.but i dunno.i deffinatley learned my lesson.street racing is not worth it just take it to the track.i deffinatly feel for these guys.good luck to them all.

[MAD_DOHC]

i was wondering what yall think is gunna happen to me this comming tuesday im going for my second street racing.im 18 now when i got my first one i was 17 and its been dropped cause i did 30 day in rappahanock juvinile center.now i have this second one my driving record is clean, i took a driver improvment class,have a job.i think im going to lose my license get like 2 weeks in jail,and a fine.but i dunno.i deffinatley learned my lesson.street racing is not worth it just take it to the track.i deffinatly feel for these guys.good luck to them all.

If the judge is smart, he will castrate you so you can reproduce more ignorance. Two street racing tickets in a year. Idiot.

Hopefully they will take your car, you will lose your license for at least a year, 6 months in jail and heavy fines.

[KhanArtisT]

i dont see why the newcomers forget the golden rule"MOVE YOUR SPOTS" race consistently at one spot all of the time and YOU WILL GET BUSTED. learned that from bluecrab road back in the day

Well, if you keep moving spots, you might run into a hot one eventually...

[SlowLS]

Well, if you keep moving spots, you might run into a hot one eventually...
That is true, but a hot spot back in the day ment 1 cop rolled through and everyone made it out with their cars, and someone probably got an exhaust ticket. It's funny how unorganized 564 really was, especially compared what it used to be like, but they all got organized racing tickets.

[Hodo]

MADDOHC, Why be a prick?

The poor guy asked a simple question and you decide to be a arse about it. Yea he admits to being stupid but thats no reason to treat him like a idiot.

H22eghatch unfortantly I think you are going to get your balls nailed to the wall. Look for worst case and if you get less consider yourself lucky. My only advice is to get a decent lawyer. And tell the trueth. Dress nice and be polite to both the lawyer the cop and the judge, this will be the biggest leason in humility you will EVER learn. Good luck.

[MAD_DOHC]

Yea he admits to being stupid but thats no reason to treat him like a idiot.

Where is the line drawn from being stupid to being an idiot? If you admit to being stupid, and two racing tickets in a year is stupid, then you can be treated like an idiot.

[h22eghatch]

yea i admit i was stupid i wish sumtimes i wasnt even into cars cause then i wouldnt have these tickets.i am expecting worse case senario my lawyer said worst case is a year in jail 2 years license suspension and car taken from me.that will suck.so if u dont learn your lesson the first time. trust me ull learn it the second i know i have.

[1Fas66Cobra]

i am new here but I have to say, If you race on the street great,cool and i have done it also. I will go on to say that everyone knows it is against the law to do it, with that said please dont type ( i dont know what is going to happen to me or my car, this is my second time getting caught).
Well let me tell ya I hope they hang all of the people involved, because you would have to be real S T U P I D to do it there on 564 with all the cameras in the sky. Take all your hi po cars and go to the drag strip in dinwiddie or richmond, then it is all legal. I know I will hear it's too far or I am not going out there or the price of gas is too high, well to you all I say sell your car and walk.

[KhanArtisT]

Well let me tell ya I hope they hang all of the people involved, because you would have to be real S T U P I D to do it there on 564 with all the cameras in the sky. Take all your hi po cars and go to the drag strip in dinwiddie or richmond, then it is all legal. I know I will hear it's too far or I am not going out there or the price of gas is too high, well to you all I say sell your car and walk.

I agree with the first part, but racing on the dragstrip and racing on the street are very different. Its a bit more than just an 'adrenaline rush' or too much gas money, and money to enter/run. Betting, exposed 1/4 times, car lenghts, etc. Its pretty pointless to say "TAKE IT TO THE TRACK BOYS!" when they are two different things.

Every car enthusiast can't afford to take a day off of work just to hit the track.

Enthusiasts who chose to race on the streets sholud know that it is illegal, and should be aware of the consequences.

In my opinion, all car enthusiasts are asking for is pavement. No one wants to harm anybody. Some are just more misguided than others. Do it in a very industrial/deserted area, and no one will get hurt.

[h22eghatch]

ok so i had my court date and i guess im the luckiest man alive cause my lawyer got the charge reduced to improper driving and all i had was $250 fine.even though i didnt go to jail or lose my license i have learned my lesso its just not worth take it to the track.

[MerF]

Good stuff man. Glad to hear you are remorseful.

[volklover]

ok so i had my court date and i guess im the luckiest man alive cause my lawyer got the charge reduced to improper driving and all i had was $250 fine.even though i didnt go to jail or lose my license i have learned my lesso its just not worth take it to the track.
So I'm wondering if anyone will be losing there car for good~
Glad to see you learned your lesson and hope that you push your friends and other kids to the track- Its not worth losing your car, jail time, fines, and anything worse (accident/death)

[lookattheAC]

ok so i had my court date and i guess im the luckiest man alive cause my lawyer got the charge reduced to improper driving and all i had was $250 fine.even though i didnt go to jail or lose my license i have learned my lesso its just not worth take it to the track.

got to keep your car too?

[Capster78]

Wow, VB has really loosend up. I remember 5 years ago when I got an 85-55 on 564 I had 7 days jail time suspended, $500 fine and lost my licence for 30 days. That was just speeding, I was not even racing.

[h22eghatch]

got to keep your car too?


ya got to keep my car and everything.

[Bustadust]

h22eghatch i was in your boat once too..but it was only a one time deal, wasnt exactly caught racing tho, 88/35..good enuff to take away my license and other goodies...i know that feeling in your gut that u get and it sucks ass, but guess what, im a dumbass and so r u, and i gaurantee your gonna forget how that shit feels and your gonna pull up to a light and some guy is gonna wanna race u, and your gonna be wif ya girl or friend and your gonna want to race..and u will..because your a fukin idiot..pwned:D

[Bustadust]

h22eghatch i was in your boat once too..but it was only a one time deal, wasnt exactly caught racing tho, 88/35..good enuff to take away my license and other goodies...i know that feeling in your gut that u get and it sucks ass, but guess what, im a dumbass and so r u, and i gaurantee your gonna forget how that shit feels and your gonna pull up to a light and some guy is gonna wanna race u, and your gonna be wif ya girl or friend and your gonna want to race..and u will..because your a fukin idiot..pwned:D
dont take it personal, im the same way..we are just fukin idiots, which is why i bought a bike..cops never decide to chase bikes for some odd reason ;)

[cantseemyfeet]

wow, no sympathy on this page at all. Well, Glad you learned your lesson and that you're gonna live long enough now to persuade other dipshits to fall in. Good luck

[FocusTunr]

i was wondering what yall think is gunna happen to me this comming tuesday im going for my second street racing.im 18 now when i got my first one i was 17 and its been dropped cause i did 30 day in rappahanock juvinile center.now i have this second one my driving record is clean, i took a driver improvment class,have a job.i think im going to lose my license get like 2 weeks in jail,and a fine.but i dunno.i deffinatley learned my lesson.street racing is not worth it just take it to the track.i deffinatly feel for these guys.good luck to them all.

i know how u feel right now. just get a good lawyer. i got a racing ticket 101/60 and just went to court. i got $501 in fines, 60 days in jail but the judge suspened 58 days on good behavior and that was it. i didnt get my license taken away or anything. if you get a good lawyer the punishment might not be too bad. good luck to you bro.

[~*Mekana*~]

WOW I FEEL YA, IM STILL PAYIN OFF MY FINE'S & WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPEN'S 2 ME ON THE 10TH OF MAY... :(

[VB2NER]

was it worth it? really....

[h22eghatch]

was it worth it? really....


no its not worth it just take it to the track.