$$$ for skateparks but none for us???

[locointegra]

Can anyone tell me why the city has tons of $$$ to support skaters who were grinding and skating everywhere, but no $$$ to help those who enjoy cars.

skaters + gettn crazy = skatepark
paintballers + gettn crazy = fields to play everywhere
auto enthusiasts + gettn crazy = gets fucked

[blah]

I'm gonna go with:

$50,000 << $2,000,000

[NoRider]

I'm gonna go with:

$50,000 << $2,000,000


yaaaaaa.... and all a paintball field is, is a big grass field with some wood walls to hide behind...

[locointegra]

yeah i understand that but its more than $50,000, thats just one ramp i think. but what about any support in general, just recognizing that there needs to be somewhere for these people to go. maybe ease up on zoning laws and assist a little more.

[kashimiru]

$$ to keep kids (probably ~8-18) off the streets and from doing things they don't know any better about doing


or


$$ to keep adults (~16-?) off the streets from doing things they damn well know they shouldn't be doing.


i don't see whats confusing. give the people with little-no common sense a place to play and be monitored and kept away from doing stupid things and to the people who have common sense and knowingly go against it all the time give nothing. also, a punk kid skateboarder has no money, but a person who spends thousands of dollars on mondifying his/her car has plenty of money to dish out in fines and penalties in the eyes of the government. why would the government want to take away that revenue? you'd think they were seeking to make roads safer or something

[doughboy415]

Okay how much did it cost to build that skate park, and how much to operate it. Now think about how much it would cost to build a track(thats what you are talking about isnt it), first you would have to find enough land,you would need atleast 50-100 acreas(probably more) then you would have to grade the land then pave the track, build stands(bleachers) put in timing tower,timing equipment, lights, pa, then a track staff,safety crew and lets not forget insurance, so lets see, skatepark what 50-200k plus no operating cost, now the track,750k-1mil just to build, then insurance(northeastdragway pays 2,500 aday when track is open), then yougot to pay track staff, track crew, timing tower crew etc, you have to have emergency personal, so now where are you at 1,250,000,probably. You guys have to face it, you are not going to get a track.

[locointegra]

i wasnt suggesting a track just putting it out there that the city has helped others in a time of need. we all should be grown up enough to know there will never be a local track but im sure the cities could come up with something to make them $$$ and keep people out of trouble. just a dream, but we see what a dream got martin luther king!!!

[doughboy415]

true but you got to remember Va Beach doesnt care about the locals, they only care about the almighty tourist DOLLAR.Norfolk only thinks about getting a sports team,ches. building more houses, portsmouth who knows, and suffolk, is becoming the next ches.

[locointegra]

lol so true so true

[Wrench_Si]

Shelor saw the financial benefits of building a dragstrip here next to his 1/2 mile oval track. Its currently a 1/8th mile but there is a lot of talk of it being extended to make a 1/4 mile since they just bought 9 more acres at the end of the track.

Woot for Shelor...even though Im a road course type or guy myself.

[j4k3]

if you build a race track you have to have all kinds of insurance for the track and all that stuff but when you have a skate park, you have to print mass waivers saying if you get hurt you basically cant do shit.

skatepark>drag strip, money-wise

[growley]

hahahahaha x 10800984093843 at this thread. You think skaters get a ton of money for our cause? Certainly not in Virginia. Skaters could say the same thing about money being spent on tracks.

[growley]

I'm gonna go with:

$50,000 << $2,000,000
Exactly

[SlowLS]

The mt trashmore park cost a lot more than $50,000 to build, however, I remember reading in the paper, when the trashmore park was being built, that in va beach, based on the population, there should be 20+ skateparks, and all we have is one. They were supposed to build a bunch of smaller ones in neighborhood parks, but I have not seen a thing. And all of this was in the paper during the building of trashmore.

[MerF]

I think the thread starter has a damn good point, but the argument of the difference in cost is exactly right. The thing to remember however is that a track CAN GENERATE REVENUE, or tracks wouldn't exist in the first place, so although the starting cost is stammering, it's obviously possible to have that cost covered in some amount of time.

I like this topic.

[growley]

I think the purpose of building a track wouldn't be as based on cost as it would on keeping street racing down, just as skateparks are built in an attempt to reduce street skating.

[cole]

Can anyone tell me why the city has tons of $$$ to support skaters who were grinding and skating everywhere, but no $$$ to help those who enjoy cars.

skaters + gettn crazy = skatepark
paintballers + gettn crazy = fields to play everywhere
auto enthusiasts + gettn crazy = gets fucked


that is the most assenine thing ihave ever heard...the virginia beach skatepark cost a grandwhopping total of $70k to be done by a professional company which also includes the california style vert ramp. it keeps tresspassing calls to a minimum and it provides aperfect place forfamilies to get together because of its loactionon mount trashmore. so yeah gtfo.

[MerF]

that is the most assenine thing ihave ever heard...the virginia beach skatepark cost a grandwhopping total of $70k to be done by a professional company which also includes the california style vert ramp. it keeps tresspassing calls to a minimum and it provides aperfect place forfamilies to get together because of its loactionon mount trashmore. so yeah gtfo.
Well, in my opinion, your post is way worse. You just argued the exact reasons that having a track funded by at least a partial grant would be just as logical as it was for the skate park.

So no, you gtfo.

[CobraSVT]

yeah. i skateboard and they are supposed to build some more. i heard one was going up at princess anne park soon and i know sometime within this year and next year they are building a skate plaza out of concrete and crap over in woodstock.i would love a drag stirp. Racing tickets suck

[RightDiddy]

you know damn well building a track isnt going to bring down the amount of kids out there revving and racing there new 1989 civic they got as a gift for getting their licence the on the thrid try......... fact is people do it on the street casue they have the chance todo it then and it doent cost anything...i dont beleive the cost would exceed the profit/break even to reduce racing on public highways. and whoever started this sounds like a real young kid as well...... do your homework

[MerF]

RightDiddy, you are being just as ignorant as cole....I'm not even going to bother answering you, that's how bad it is.

[RightDiddy]

thats not ignorance thats my perception. I tihnk it will help minimally compared to the costs that will arise. but say what you must i dont need anyone to reply to anything i say, it is just my view

[Slimsta Jimsta]

i hate this topic. ever since the 757ontrack forum started, we have a couple dumbasses running around saying "why is money being spent here, but not on us and our tracks!?!?!?" seriously, the world does not revolve around you and your hobbies, so chill the fuck out about where money is being spent.

and this was in no way trying to belittle any of the guys that are actually using this forum appropriately. yall are doing a great job it seems and being level headed about the subject, whereas this type of thread pisses me off.

[growley]

you know damn well building a track isnt going to bring down the amount of kids out there revving and racing there new 1989 civic they got as a gift for getting their licence the on the thrid try......... fact is people do it on the street casue they have the chance todo it then and it doent cost anything...

Kinda similar with skateboarding and skateparks. Just because skateparks are built to be a place for people to skate doesn't mean they're going to quit skating on the streets. No park can compare to the real thing.

[locointegra]

first off im not some young kid. im probably older than a good amount on here. second i did not say anywhere to build us a track. reread my post. just pointing out how the city is giving no support for car enthusiasts but lends a hand to other problem groups.

[cole]

RightDiddy, you are being just as ignorant as cole....I'm not even going to bother answering you, that's how bad it is.



merf are you fucking kidding me? you think a track is going to bring in a family envirment as much as mount trashmore??? i was more trying to hit on the fact that it cost less and they already had the space on a city funded park that appeals to children, teens, and parents. no track could provide an environment like that at they cost they did it in.

[DOHC crx VTEC]

Alright

Skating accident (severe) 30k plus? haha iono..depends if you get fucked over by a car.

Street racing accident (severe) I.e causing damage to interstate, people on the road, etc etc. 100k++.

Why doesn't the government take that into consideration? With all the money that city might lose or what ever to an accident, well the racers/skaters will lose money. ah hell I can't get it out. Basically, I am just implying building a track would pretty much elimanate most of the auto-racing accidents if there was a local track. Streetlegal.com had a big turn out. 1/8th mile or a quarter mile. It's STILL A track!! It'd keep alot of people from running off of the street in my opinion. I know I didn't state my thesis correctly it seems dull and make's no sense. But do you see where I'm coming from?

[doughboy415]

true but you got to remember Va Beach doesnt care about the locals, they only care about the almighty tourist DOLLAR.Norfolk only thinks about getting a sports team,ches. building more houses, portsmouth who knows, and suffolk, is becoming the next ches.


This is why you are not going to get a track, plus the city doesn't lose if you wreck while racing, think about it, you got to pay fines you wil be convicted of racing and wreckless driving, you will probably wind up with community service instead of jail time, so the city actually wins(money from fines and court cost-free work from community service) they know what they are doing. Besides that, they wouldn't want a track around because they dont want the type of crowds that tracks bring(I've heard that statement made before) and the BIGGEST REASON is the noise it will bring.Remeber a few years back they wanted to put a circle track and dragstrip in suffolk near the ches. line, those people fought tooth and nail against it citing the noise and extra traffic it would bring.Face it, if its not beneficial to the cities( meaning they have total control over what happens there) then they dont want it.

[Victum]

mostly because street racers are old enough to go to jail and most skateboarding kids are too young or just dont drive... personally i quit skating when i got my car.

[DOHC crx VTEC]

mostly because street racers are old enough to go to jail and most skateboarding kids are too young or just dont drive... personally i quit skating when i got my car.

+1

[SlowLS]

Actually, the numbers for the trashmore park are significantly higher than what cole said. I vaguely remember the newspaper articles on the park being build saying in excess of $200,000 and the proposed buget for a park to be built at PA park in excess of $800,000, which was why the city was looking for a corporate sponser to go in on the cost with them. And that was long before the new vert ramp was built. As far as keeping kids off the street, most skaters much prefer street skating over park. I know from my personal experience, we used the park as a meeting place before we go street skating. Also I think the same would happen with a local track. How many times have you gone to the track, and on the way home street raced with your buddies or other people driving home from the track also? Racing at a track is a lot like watching a fight on tv, gets you punch drunk, then you want to go around fighting with your friends. I would love a track in the area, but doubt it would actually cut down on street racing. Just my opinions.

[reocamaro]

How many times have you gone to the track, and on the way home street raced with your buddies or other people driving home from the track also

IMHO, If I manage to take a few passes down the track that's sort of enough to take the edge off. I push my luck w/ something going wrong at the track. Why would I push my luck comin' back?

That's just me. I'm probably the ONLY one out there that has this same belief.

[FocusTunr]

IMHO, If I manage to take a few passes down the track that's sort of enough to take the edge off. I push my luck w/ something going wrong at the track. Why would I push my luck comin' back?

i agree. u risk enough worryin bout the car runnin down the track. on top of that when i used to goto the track near fredericksburg all the time i ould never run on the way home because the cops knew where the track was and thay would sit all along the route home.


and the BIGGEST REASON is the noise it will bring.Remeber a few years back they wanted to put a circle track and dragstrip in suffolk near the ches. line, those people fought tooth and nail against it citing the noise and extra traffic it would bring.Face it, if its not beneficial to the cities( meaning they have total control over what happens there) then they dont want it.

i dont kno about that. the people at va beach are tryin to keep the air base open and that is certainly noisier and more annoying than hearing hondas racin down a track for 4 or 5 hours like one or two nights a week.

[murphy660]

i agree. u risk enough worryin bout the car runnin down the track. on top of that when i used to goto the track near fredericksburg all the time i ould never run on the way home because the cops knew where the track was and thay would sit all along the route home..
which track?

[MerF]

....when i used to goto the track near fredericksburg...
Colonial Beach? I can't htink of another one, and I'm wondering where you are talking about?

[FocusTunr]

Colonial Beach? I can't htink of another one, and I'm wondering where you are talking about?

both colonial beach and sumerduck. i have seen a good number of cops running radar comin back from both of those tracks.

[MerF]

I live right near Colonial Beach.

[FocusTunr]

I live right near Colonial Beach.

i live bout 30 mins from sumerduck. i used to live in fredericksburg. i just moved to newport news bout a year ago. i have only been to colonial beach track like 2 or 3 times.

[Abysalone]

i hate this topic. ever since the 757ontrack forum started, we have a couple dumbasses running around saying "why is money being spent here, but not on us and our tracks!?!?!?" seriously, the world does not revolve around you and your hobbies, so chill the fuck out about where money is being spent.

and this was in no way trying to belittle any of the guys that are actually using this forum appropriately. yall are doing a great job it seems and being level headed about the subject, whereas this type of thread pisses me off.
Do you even pay taxes? :D When you do, you will want to know where its going. ;)

[h22andmedown]

There would be no skatepark if it wasn't for a committee spending over a year trying to get the city to build it. Start one for a track, get petitions signed by thousands of people, get city council behind you and you might get a track one day.

[Slimsta Jimsta]

Do you even pay taxes? :D When you do, you will want to know where its going. ;)
yea i do, but i'm not going to get butthurt because the track is an hour and a half away

people are acting like there should be tracks popping up like it's a damn starbucks, one on every corner

[FocusTunr]

well maybe they should be all over the place. haha. tht would be nice.

[Citium2012]

$$ to keep kids (probably ~8-18) off the streets and from doing things they don't know any better about doing


or


$$ to keep adults (~16-?) off the streets from doing things they damn well know they shouldn't be doing.


I sorefully agree with this.
Besides, all tracks are open right now for the next couple of months. We have somewhere to go.

[Citium2012]

yea i do, but i'm not going to get butthurt because the track is an hour and a half away

people are acting like there should be tracks popping up like it's a damn starbucks, one on every corner

funny :D

[WishIHadaSilvia]

I personally don't think a 1/4 mile track wouldn't do much, however a driving park would be different. By that I mean a place where people could practice grip/drift driving and improve their driving skills - that would pull in the big spenders like the Vette and Porsche owners that want to take their 70+ thousand dollar cars and drive it the way they are supposed to. Allowing drifting would keep all those pesky parking lot sliders out of MerF and Blaxican's hair ;) .

Street racing may be a type of drag racing, but it is still about who's car is faster and a drag strip gives someone a time slip - a driving park would allow for people with slower cars to beat people with faster ones if they can drive better. There is still the money issue though, and I'd imagine a 1/4 would be way cheaper than a driving park (even though a driving park could simply be a GIANT parking lot that they rearrange cones/soft barriers to have a different track every week or so).


Just my 0.02.

[Slimsta Jimsta]

i have an even better idea, stop having dick size comparison's with your cars on the street. No one really cares who's 2 car lengths ahead...

[98chase]

i have an even better idea, stop having dick size comparison's with your cars on the street. No one really cares who's 2 car lengths ahead...
The people racing do?

[NEO_WRX]

i have an even better idea, stop having dick size comparison's with your cars on the street. No one really cares who's 2 car lengths ahead...

if you didn't have a suspended license...you would care :D

[dat-ricochet]

OK here is the deal. Every month there are several times locally that you can try your car against other people in a game of skill not speed. It is called an Auto Cross. Tidewater Sports Car Club, Porsche Club, Old Dominion Region SCCA, NASA. If you guys are not familiar with this novel idea then check out www.autocross.us (http://www.autocross.us). Just an idea. :D

[norfolksfinest]

I personally don't think a 1/4 mile track wouldn't do much, however a driving park would be different. By that I mean a place where people could practice grip/drift driving and improve their driving skills - that would pull in the big spenders like the Vette and Porsche owners that want to take their 70+ thousand dollar cars and drive it the way they are supposed to. Allowing drifting would keep all those pesky parking lot sliders out of MerF and Blaxican's hair ;) .

Street racing may be a type of drag racing, but it is still about who's car is faster and a drag strip gives someone a time slip - a driving park would allow for people with slower cars to beat people with faster ones if they can drive better. There is still the money issue though, and I'd imagine a 1/4 would be way cheaper than a driving park (even though a driving park could simply be a GIANT parking lot that they rearrange cones/soft barriers to have a different track every week or so).

Just my 0.02.

that would be a dream to have, but think about the cost issue and land space it would take up. it sounds like a dream to us racers, and would actually be a training course for some of us less talented drivers (not me:D ), but what kind of community would use their tax dollars for people to show off their cars and drive like dicks, i mean truthfully, i wouldnt even pay for that though i would love to have that luxury. It would also increase younger drivers that arent able to pay the insurance to practice their own driving skills on local roads and be a hazard to pedestrians. i mean this is a great idea to have but what would the community say to it?

[ricedoutaccord]

if they build it we will come

[BlewMR2]

I'm gonna go with:

$50,000 << $2,000,000

actually. my friend Julian, his dad just bought 5 warehouses for abouuut 5 mil? somewhere around there. or maybe it was 5 mil for the warehouses, and to build the park in there.

chyeaa. that's the new Anti-Gravity in Williamsburg.


although i agree with this thread, i guess what it really comes down to is back to the everyone coming together, and the voting process, and speaking out. you never know. if skaters can get a 5 million dollar park... why can't we get a track? and lord knows, everything else in williamsburg is going up. we're getting a fucking Ripley's for Christ sake.

[norfolksfinest]

we're getting a fucking Ripley's for Christ sake.[/QUOTE]

why would the world need another ripleys, we need a fucken car museum..haha

[FocusTunr]

that would be a dream to have, but think about the cost issue and land space it would take up. it sounds like a dream to us racers, and would actually be a training course for some of us less talented drivers (not me:D ), but what kind of community would use their tax dollars for people to show off their cars and drive like dicks, i mean truthfully, i wouldnt even pay for that though i would love to have that luxury. It would also increase younger drivers that arent able to pay the insurance to practice their own driving skills on local roads and be a hazard to pedestrians. i mean this is a great idea to have but what would the community say to it?

maybe it doesnt have to be that expensive. maybe we could get it worked out and set up autocross in a huge parking lot somewhere. say for example at the coliseum or somethin like that. see if we could use the lot like once a month or something like that. i mean the lots at the coliseum are plenty big enough as long as you avoid the light poles :p

[blah]

actually. my friend Julian, his dad just bought 5 warehouses for abouuut 5 mil? somewhere around there. or maybe it was 5 mil for the warehouses, and to build the park in there.

chyeaa. that's the new Anti-Gravity in Williamsburg.


although i agree with this thread, i guess what it really comes down to is back to the everyone coming together, and the voting process, and speaking out. you never know. if skaters can get a 5 million dollar park... why can't we get a track? and lord knows, everything else in williamsburg is going up. we're getting a fucking Ripley's for Christ sake.
That's comparing apples to oranges.

It's a private company building something in hopes to turn a profit. All of the city-built skate parks are built on property already owned by the city and they aren't trying to be the next Woodward.

[Whistler]

IMHO, If I manage to take a few passes down the track that's sort of enough to take the edge off. I push my luck w/ something going wrong at the track. Why would I push my luck comin' back?

That's just me. I'm probably the ONLY one out there that has this same belief.I agree with you bud. Since I goto the track I havent had a ticket in 8 years. (not to be egotistical)I also dont really find any cars worth racing for me on the street. If a honda revs at me I laugh. Back on topic. Also there is no BS on who won in grudge matches at the track. That is more satisfying than anything. A clean win.