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ultra spikey
03-09-2006, 11:24 PM
For those who dont know what RaceLegal is, its a organization that aims to take racing off the streets by setting up legal drag racing events in venues like a stadium parking lot(you can read more about them at www.racelegal.com). I faxed them a letter earlier today, basically asking them for any advice or suggestions to get a program like RaceLegal started over here. I just thought id share this information and see if anyone else is interested in something like this..........


"Thanks for your note, let's see if we can provide you with a few ideas for your
consideration.

We are somewhat aware of the Virginia Beach street racing scene. You guys have made the national headlines a time or two of late. VB is not unique however as
you well know. Every major metro area in the US suffers from the same problem.

You also probably know from our web site that the incidence of illegal street
racing in San Diego has been reduced by 99% since our initial year of record
keeping in 2002. We have also witnessed a 94% improvement in the death and
injury associated with illegal street racing involved crashes during that time
frame.

For example, our baseline year of 2002 saw 16 young people killed and another 31 seriously injured as a direct result of illegal street races gone bad. We are
proud to announce that those epidemic numbers were reduced to 3 serious injuries in 2005. That's some turn around in 4 short years.

The reason for that dramatic turn of events is the San Diego "Closing the Loop"
on illegal street racing intervention of which RaceLegal.com is a big part.

We as a community realized early on that a law enforcement only approach (like
what most communities attempt) is not going to solve the issue. Young racers
aren't dumb, they simply move on and find another spot to practice their high
risk sport.

The San Diego "Closing the Loop" intervention is a grass root, community based
effort involving all the stakeholders, not just law enforcement. Superior
Court, DA's office, City Attorney, Public Defender, Probation, racers, parents
of victims, concerned citizens and, of coarse, the safer and sanctioned track
alternative to street, RaceLegal.com, all came together to form a coalition
who's sole purpose was to address the San Diego epidemic of illegal street
racing and the attendant death and injury that was taking place back in '98.

The object was to not only make San Diego the last place you wanted to get
busted for illegal street racing, but to be realistic and provide a safer and
sanctioned track alternative to illegal street racing. The alternative,
RaceLegal.com is offered at night in a young adult friendly environment and
specifically designed to meet the high risk 16 - 26 year olds need for speed
which is real and doesn't have to a be a bad trait.

The rest is history. The success is unprecedented and trust me when I tell you
that it will work in any community willing to invest the time and money that San
Diego chose to do.

So you would think that every other community in America would be stepping up
and going with what works and not re-inventing the wheel - right?

Unfortunately every community that I know of has chosen to view this phenomena
as strictly law enforcement in nature just as VB is doing at the moment. It hasn't worked in the long term anywhere that I know of and I predict without reservation that it never will.

So what can you guys do? Trust me it isn't easy, but it is very doable if you
get the right people on board and supportive of your cause.

When it is all said and done realize that the press is your best friend. They
can literally move mountains. It is exactly how we got the ball rolling in San
Diego.

We incited the public via the press and the public in turn literally made the
public officials stand up, take notice and take action which included the safer
and sanctioned track alternative to street, RaceLegal.com.

Get an investigative reporter who sees something in this story. You should
have no trouble finding one - that's their job. Turn them onto the San Diego
"Closing the Loop" story and have them specifically look at our
www.RaceLegal.com web site. It won't be long and they will be asking the right
questions as they relate to a RaceLegal.com alternative in your area.

We were also smart enough to cultivate law enforcement. That are not the bad guys by any stretch of the imagination. Believe me there are
gear heads in law enforcement and hopefully a few of them high enough to
identify with your cause.

I trust that you have seen our "Code Four" and "Sheriffs" tabs on the RaceLegal.com web site. Law enforcement has played a very important and indispensable part in the success of our RaceLegal.com program. If you ask the right way you will find that some of them did their fair share of illegal street racing back when they were young and a little crazy.

We even have an annual Law Enforcement Appreciation Day now where all the Chiefs and Sheriffs come out and race each other in their black and whites.
Check out the pictures on our "Gallery" tab from last year's Law Enforcement
Appreciation Day festivities.

Find one of your City Councilmembers or County Supervisors who is into cars and willing to get behind your cause. A major catch would be a sympathetic mayor or two.They are out there, trust me. But you have to want it and be willing to pay the price to get the ball rolling. It won't happen on its own.

Let me finish for now with a couple of comments about a track. As you probably
know we are totally portable and run our two side-by-side 1/8 mile race tracks
in the parking lot at San Diego Oualcomm Stadium where the Chargers play. We
have to set-up and tear down all in one 18 hour day and it's killing us
financially.

Ideally you have an existing NHRA certified track nearby. You are light years
ahead if an existing track is present. If they are a NHRA certified track they
are supposed to have a "street legal" program to maintain their certification.

Bottom line, 99% of the NHRA certified tracks don't offer a RaceLegal.com type"street legal" program that specifically targets high risk 16 - 26 year olds
like we do. The reason is simple - they are expensive to run and the return on investment is not likely to be attractive for a "for profit" enterprise.

We have appealed to NHRA to at least financially get behind some pilot
RaceLegal.com type programs at their certified tracks in high risk metro areas.

We've not gotten a positive response to date and hopefully SONY Xplod who is one of our major sponsors and also the major sponsor for NHRA's Sport Compact Series will intervene on our behalf and get NHRA to entertain the notion. By the way, SONY Xplod is totally on board with the "Closing the Loop" approach to intervention which includes the RaceLegal.com alternative.

I've probably overwhelmed you and I didn't mean to do that. But I trust that
you understand that these kind of things get done by passionate people who won't
take no for an answer.

We'll assist all we can so keep us in the loop. In fact, I just got back from 3
days of consulting with Colorado Springs where they are looking at how they can
establish their own "Closing the Loop" approach to intervention including a
RaceLegal.com alternative.

Respectfully,

Steve

Stephen J. Bender, HSD, MPH
Professor Emeritus - Epidemiology/Biostatistics
Graduate School of Public Health
San Diego State University, and
Principal Investigator - RaceLegal.com"

Stillpushin
03-09-2006, 11:30 PM
Sounds like a good program.

(F-)
03-09-2006, 11:32 PM
wow, good work

(F-)
03-09-2006, 11:33 PM
now all thats left is the hard part

RPRacing
03-09-2006, 11:51 PM
i think we need to have a meeting for all parties involved or interested in voicing their opinions. I know i am.

kirill
03-10-2006, 12:09 AM
fucking right Jon!!

tecnic1
03-10-2006, 07:02 AM
Let me finish for now with a couple of comments about a track. As you probably
know we are totally portable and run our two side-by-side 1/8 mile race tracks
in the parking lot at San Diego Oualcomm Stadium where the Chargers play. We
have to set-up and tear down all in one 18 hour day and it's killing us
financially.
That right there is a signficant problem.

MerF
03-10-2006, 07:19 AM
That right there is a signficant problem.
I agree...but when you look at the vast majority of even this forum's memberbase, most are funded by thier parents anyway, and if the word gets out enough on this, and a 17 year old kid with his automatic Civic goes to his pops asking for $20 to race SAFE and LEGALLY...I seriously doubt they will be shutdown.

Will Sol
03-10-2006, 07:53 AM
Im in for doing anything I can do to help.

C45P312
03-10-2006, 08:00 AM
i think we need to have a meeting for all parties involved or interested in voicing their opinions. I know i am.
done, look out for a phone call or pm.

SignfcntOthr
03-10-2006, 08:10 AM
On board.

Big D
03-10-2006, 09:54 AM
atleast he's trying new options good job jon :thup:.........................Big D

....AJ....
03-10-2006, 10:12 AM
Good job man :thup:

I'm down to help in any way I possibly can.

Lord_Vegeta
03-10-2006, 10:14 AM
Im down as well....Let us know what we have to do to help!

tecnic1
03-10-2006, 10:20 AM
I agree...but when you look at the vast majority of even this forum's memberbase, most are funded by thier parents anyway, and if the word gets out enough on this, and a 17 year old kid with his automatic Civic goes to his pops asking for $20 to race SAFE and LEGALLY...I seriously doubt they will be shutdown.also consider looking for sponsers right off the bat. It will make your case significantly more attractive to "the powers that be" if you can convince local companies to financially support you, and can show that you have resources at your disposal and are not expecting them to completely fund the program.

HighPSI TSi Guy
03-10-2006, 02:29 PM
i've mentioned it before in other threads.. but i've been to this while visiting friends out west, and it was the shit.. if we could get VMP or MIR to do this, i'd be all over it.

http://www.realstreetdrags.net/

Mongoose87
03-12-2006, 07:17 PM
They are too far away.

milanored95EG
04-02-2006, 11:03 AM
i actually live in san diego and have been to a few racelegal events...its awesome...the first night i went out it was police appreciation night...the san diego city and sherrif's office has track ready police cars...from a 4 banger to a v8 police interceptor...lights and everything...line up and race...ive seen everything from a drag racing hayabusa to a chameleon colored Evo with more nitrous than a dentist office...and food vendors are out there as well as the local speed shops selling parts...its a good thing

doughboy415
04-02-2006, 11:51 AM
I have gone out and got a track, we dont need a portable track, northeast dragway is open to all on friday nights, I have talked with him and we are in the process of setting up a once a month race day at his track, he says he needs 2,500 to take care of insurance and to have a track crew and emergency personal there. you will be paying 20-25/person to get to race all day, will have more info coming as to when it starts. Besides that I called them(RACELEGAL) last week and told them what we are trying to get started,they said if we have a track willing to work with us, then we are further along they are. What he didn't tell you in the letter is, they dont know how much longer they can exist, they have to pay a crew to setup there portable strip,they have to pay the stadium for use of parking lot, the insurance is through the roof (have to have a million dollar coverage for each venue) they have to pay the city for emergency personal, they are trying to get corporate sponsors,but because they had so much success in the beginning(stret racing down something like 80%) its not considered a problem out in the open so funding is scarce. they told me if weare this lucky to have NORTHEAST DRAGWAY in our corner, then by all means take full advantage of it.

catfSSh
04-02-2006, 02:42 PM
good job.
just keep pushing the issue.

ill try to get around to sending an email to randy forbes, any input?

doughboy415
04-02-2006, 03:03 PM
actually dee has been in contact with SENATOR ALLEN'S office, and guess what he is a car nut, more details to come.

zeenon53
04-06-2006, 02:14 PM
I just read the article about racelegal.com in moddified magazine! Sounds like they really got thier shit together.

I don't understand what you are trying to do with NE dragway, they have T&T night their every friday. What are you looing to do?

HighPSI TSi Guy
04-06-2006, 04:07 PM
not to mention, 1/8th mile is gay.

doughboy415
04-06-2006, 04:19 PM
LOOK YOU UNGRATEFUL----- tony the owner of the track is looking out for you, yes friday night is test and tune, but if you show up in numbers you can race each other just tell the guy on the track. and for you john force wanna be, an 1/8th of a mile is better than nothing.Look I'm not into racing,so if you all dont appreciate my help in this matter ,I'll let Tony know that you dont want his track and you can go out and try to do this your self.BEGGARS CANT BE CHOOSEY, you are kissing a gift horse good bye.If an 1/8th of a mile is so GAY, why then on PINKS does everyone run the 1/8th

doughboy415
04-06-2006, 04:33 PM
Anybody else feel like these two, Thats what is wrong you all are so young and immature you dont realize the opportunity you have here, just think about it, if all of you go down to NC every weekend spending money helping this track grow, dont you think someone up in Va will take notice and say WHY CANT WE GET THEIR MONEY, NOT SOME TRACK IN CAROLINA LETS BUILD ATRACK SO WE CAN GET ALL THEIR MONEY INSTEAD. just think about that while I call tony to let him know how you feel about his help and track!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CLeanS
04-06-2006, 06:19 PM
thanks for making a good thread go bad

Nic
04-06-2006, 07:53 PM
I have gone out and got a track, we dont need a portable track, northeast dragway is open to all on friday nights, I have talked with him and we are in the process of setting up a once a month race day at his track, he says he needs 2,500 to take care of insurance and to have a track crew and emergency personal there. you will be paying 20-25/person to get to race all day, will have more info coming as to when it starts.

Any updates on this? Like would it be a saturday or sunday thing or what? Don't let a couple negative attitudes get you down over it. Plenty of people would show.

krazdracer
04-06-2006, 08:18 PM
Anybody else feel like these two, Thats what is wrong you all are so young and immature you dont realize the opportunity you have here, just think about it, if all of you go down to NC every weekend spending money helping this track grow, dont you think someone up in Va will take notice and say WHY CANT WE GET THEIR MONEY, NOT SOME TRACK IN CAROLINA LETS BUILD ATRACK SO WE CAN GET ALL THEIR MONEY INSTEAD. just think about that while I call tony to let him know how you feel about his help and track!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


whoooo broadie. calm that down. i dont like racing 1/8mile but if someone else wants to thats cool. something needs to be done about a track around here. im content racing where ever i can. but a lot of people either get into major trouble with the law or more importantly harming someone or a family not involved. my worst fear is hurting someone else and those who spend anytime with me know that. i;ve had my fair share of close calls. but im gonna be moving in under a year. and in my opinion streetracing isnt streetracing if its on the track. i have more fun on the street. goodluck with the track you guys and if there is anything i can do let me kno.

doughboy415
04-06-2006, 08:42 PM
in my opinion streetracing isnt streetracing if its on the track. i have more fun on the street. .

Thats what got us in this situation that we are in now, attitudes like that, racing was meant to be on the track not STREETS, the quicker everyone realizes that, the better off you will be. You all want a track, who is gonna help us get one if they see comments like your qoute, they will think a track is a waste of time and money, if you prefer racing on the street because its more fun.

zeenon53
04-07-2006, 09:28 AM
Anybody else feel like these two, Thats what is wrong you all are so young and immature you dont realize the opportunity you have here, just think about it, if all of you go down to NC every weekend spending money helping this track grow, dont you think someone up in Va will take notice and say WHY CANT WE GET THEIR MONEY, NOT SOME TRACK IN CAROLINA LETS BUILD ATRACK SO WE CAN GET ALL THEIR MONEY INSTEAD. just think about that while I call tony to let him know how you feel about his help and track!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope you aren't talking about me when you say "these two". I go to the track in herftford and creswell as much as i possibly can. I love racing at a well preped track and putting down nice times. I am ususally running high 8's. Not to mention I am on raceworks.com which is the forum for both tracks.

All I want to know is what are you looking for NED to do for you. They already have T&T nights, you want your own day for VA drag members or what? I am trying to be a part of the solution, not the problem. Now behave.

krazdracer
04-07-2006, 01:47 PM
Thats what got us in this situation that we are in now, attitudes like that, racing was meant to be on the track not STREETS, the quicker everyone realizes that, the better off you will be. You all want a track, who is gonna help us get one if they see comments like your qoute, they will think a track is a waste of time and money, if you prefer racing on the street because its more fun.


now dont get me wrong, im all about racing on a track. you meet more people and usually learn a lot more on the track then u ever would on the street. i speed every where and and i'll usually race anywhere. but at the same time im not saying its smart or at all sensible, and i've payd for it. im just simply stating that if im gonna drive somewhere and pay to race, i'll drive an extra hour to race somewhere that i know i'll enjoy and have fun. and if you want this thing to be truely successful then u need to maybe find a couple of tracks or just one that everyone will have fun at. im just putting in my imput so that we can keep every one alive and out of jail.

Hodo
04-07-2006, 02:53 PM
You Know I am new to posting here and all, but I have read this site for a while. I thought I would throw in my thoughts on the subject.

The problem isnt there isnt a place to race, its that its in mans nature to compete with one another. Ever since there has been automobiles people have raced them. I have been in the street racing scene for over ten years now, and in several states. From some of the best racing scenes to some of the deadist. People dont care about a track even if there is a racesafe night at a local 1/4mile track people will still take it to the street. Why you ask, because its the rush, the feel, not because they are wanting to do something illegal or that they have a problem with authority. Its becuase there is a different feel to running on the street than on a track. I can agree that racing on the street can be stupid, but if you look at it that way then so is racing in general, or anything that puts you or your car at risk.

I have read some of the past posts by some of the current guys/gals who are now saying that streetracing is dumb, and flaming anyone who says anyother way. And to me they are just being hippocritical. Everyone thinks this place has a street racing problem, its not a problem here, its a scene. In Houston, they have a REAL street racing "problem" , when you have 3 major "strips" were people run their cars, and some even bring out some big guns, like pro-stock dragsters on trailors to run some one for 5Gs on the street, because the track is closed for the night or wont condone the gambling. Here its just a bunch of kids tring to be racers, with a few REAL racers in the bunch who are smart enough not to run every weekend on the street and not to drive like a morron everywhere they go.

I can say this though on the 564 bust, that was kinda funny, not that people got busted, but that I had a funny feeling that night not to go out, that I should stay home and watch Battlestar Galactica. And well BG saved me alot of trouble...... something can be said for being a geek sometimes.

Most of you will probly just flame me for this post, others will agree with me, and some wont care either way. But this is how orginizations like Tidewater Z club and Corvette Beach Combers club and the Tidewater Sports Car club got started. They got tired of being harrased by the cops and so they went legit. I highly suggest to those of you tring to orginize things into a legit scene then see one of those orginizations. In the mean time all you have to do to find a place to park and chill and hang out with other car people is ask the owner of the property. Most will say yeah sure if you dont leave a mess and cause any trouble. Its not as hard as some of you are making it.

After all some of you know me, and some of you dont. After all there arent many Green Z32s in the area.

doughboy415
04-07-2006, 04:46 PM
All I want to know is what are you looking for NED to do for you. They already have T&T nights, you want your own day for VA drag members or what? I am trying to be a part of the solution, not the problem. Now behave.

I havesaid this a million times before, tony trublood the owner of north east dragway had contacted me about doing a car show or something at the track, when I told him about the problem with the STREET RACERS, he told me his track is open for all, we are setting up for a once a month and probably when school lets out a weeknight that will be for us only, sucka306, speedfrkgt and myself will let everyone know when this will start(real soon trust me). its not what N.E.D is doing for me its what I'm doing with NED for you.

boogie
04-08-2006, 01:21 PM
We need a program like this!

zeenon53
04-09-2006, 08:51 AM
I havesaid this a million times before, tony trublood the owner of north east dragway had contacted me about doing a car show or something at the track, when I told him about the problem with the STREET RACERS, he told me his track is open for all, we are setting up for a once a month and probably when school lets out a weeknight that will be for us only, sucka306, speedfrkgt and myself will let everyone know when this will start(real soon trust me). its not what N.E.D is doing for me its what I'm doing with NED for you.


Ohh...so a car show. Yeah cause i try to get to NED every friday that I can.