Channel 13, tonight @ 11pm

[kirill]

Just watched the 6pm news. They said police is going to show their footage of racing @ 564 to the public tonight.

[DORKO]

taht shit was real weak, and nothing NEW

except the cops showing that they were in the bushes!

wtf

[kirill]

taht shit was real weak, and nothing NEW

except the cops showing that they were in the bushes!

wtf
They said they will show the rest of it @ 11 tonight. That was just a small fragment.

[1foxbody]

I only seen a small clip it was to quick to see anything good.

[blah]

And at 11 we get to see why street racing is such a problem in Hampton Roads!!!!!

[RACINTWEEK]

hopefully they put it on thier website, or someone can capture it and host it.

[kirill]

All I could make out was a blue RSX, white WRX and red TA

[vdubya63]

That hiding in the bushes in some sneeky shit! Cant wait to see whos on there.

[jstabb1]

http://wavy.com/Global/category.asp?C=2398&nav=menu45_2

First one on video reports

[Iwannaturbo]

Ok quick question, Did something happen on both Friday, and Saturday night?

[Hatch Man(GsR)]

you cant tell what kind of cars you are looking at...

[blah]

http://wavy.com/Global/category.asp?C=2398&nav=menu45_2

First one on video reports
You can hear someone's Lightning on there.

[DOHC crx VTEC]

Hmmm wonder if im on there....

[Hatch Man(GsR)]

doubt it, I know I'm not on there...

[1foxbody]

all I heard was a supercharged car. I watched channel 3 news they had a very short clip and it was to fast to make any of the cars out.

[blah]

all I heard was a supercharged car.
Definitely a roots style.

[DOHC crx VTEC]

Denggggg that shit was not even really noticeable. You couldnt tell if the cars were even racing, Just seemed like normal traffic to me...

[jstabb1]

They might be able to prove there was racing but i highly doubt they can prove the exact cars and what not.

[Hatch Man(GsR)]

haha
"they swept the area for officers around.", "They had very Intricite communications to make sure they dont get caught."

Just like the Fast and the Furious YO!
I hate media hype

[kirill]

one of the clips they showed was filmed where the cars slow down/stop to race. You could tell what kind of cars some of them were there.

[1foxbody]

one of the clips they showed was filmed where the cars slow down/stop to race. You could tell what kind of cars some of them were there.

Thats the clip I seen on channel 3.

[sung]

The cops are trying to paint this is an indication of a huge street racing problem in Hampton Roads. A reporter already called me asking me for a comment. I told them the cops have 9 cars in custody and I have about 20,000 other people who are unapologetic to those that break the law and get caught.

Write to these news organizations and tell them this isn't who we are.

[blah]

The cops are trying to paint this is an indication of a huge street racing problem in Hampton Roads. A reporter already called me asking me for a comment. I told them the cops have 9 cars in custody and I have about 20,000 other people who are unapologetic to those that break the law and get caught.

Write to these news organizations and tell them this isn't who we are.
20 bucks says that never gets put out. Seriously.

[DORKO]

i mean i cant understand why the cops think they are fucking heros or someshit right now.


wow there is never this much coverage on TV, when some one robs a bank or when someone kills someone.

but when its street racing issues, or whatever then BAM its on for ever and ever

this is fucking pathetic.
im writing someone about this stereotypical bullshit!

[99formulam6]

why wont those videos for wavy work for me? it pops up a window saying i need windows meadia player 10 to view....but i have it. and nothing else comes up :(

[kirill]

why wont those videos for wavy work for me? it pops up a window saying i need windows meadia player 10 to view....but i have it. and nothing else comes up :(
be patient...till 11 :D

[hbracer93]

lets not forget that they were racing 5 wide on a 3 lane highway, i was on the floor lauaghing. i've never seen or heard of anyone ever racing 5 wide

[86montess]

lets not forget that they were racing 5 wide on a 3 lane highway, i was on the floor lauaghing. i've never seen or heard of anyone ever racing 5 wide
4 wide ?

[99formulam6]

damnit. i want to see this video :(

[SignfcntOthr]

Supercharged.

[1BDAZM]

I love how smart these people are where are they now??? I know they are on this board.......maybe there moms will not let them talk about it.

[DOHC crx VTEC]

lets not forget that they were racing 5 wide on a 3 lane highway, i was on the floor lauaghing. i've never seen or heard of anyone ever racing 5 wide


The news Try to implode things, make them seem bigger then they are, They'd probably say that the pink coupe had 500+ hp with all the modifications and a good thing they stopped her! haha

[kirill]

I love how smart these people are where are they now??? I know they are on this board.......maybe there moms will not let them talk about it.
No.

[Hybrid AWD]

I love seeing how behind the time a lot of the people are nowadays. Not only the people racing... but the cops as well.

Who is playing the megamillions to win the cash to build a track in New Kent County?

[Victum]

rofl 5 wide? omg i race on the shoulder with the blocks of wood and broken glass to help me get traction! <sarcasm>

[hbracer93]

i died when i heard them say it

[ProjektPhoto]

its on now
te 10pm news

[ProjektPhoto]

they called them well organized at 5 wide..

[jstabb1]

You can see some of the cars clearly, black teg, red looking eclispe

[ProjektPhoto]

if the public watchs the news (which they do) and believe what they see/hear (which they do) there will never a positive outlook on young adults gathering anywhere besides church

[VaGambler]

http://wavy.com/Global/category.asp?C=2398&nav=menu45_2

First one on video reports
looks like its channel 10 not 13 or is it both

[Iceman05]

ive been out of town all week and keeping up with all this. this is some bullshit, we all need to write or call or whatever and let wavy and the other news channels know that 90% of us do not condone this kind of activity.

[blackout]

The cops are trying to paint this is an indication of a huge street racing problem in Hampton Roads. A reporter already called me asking me for a comment. I told them the cops have 9 cars in custody and I have about 20,000 other people who are unapologetic to those that break the law and get caught.

Write to these news organizations and tell them this isn't who we are.

here's my input, and i highly encourage anyone with any literary aptitude who would like to avoid being stereotyped by police and public alike to provide theirs as well.


With all the attention being paid to the recent street racing sting, I would like to attempt to clarify some of the negative attention being received by those of us who are law-abiding citizens, what I will choose to call 'automotive enthusiasts', who have happened to take an interest in automotive performance and racing, and as such for the most part partake in our daily commute in modified vehicles. First and foremost, the obvious repercussions that we are facing is being automatically associated with the few who have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar. While this may not seem as a big deal to the casual observer (would a gun owner worry about seeing an armed robbery on the news?), it poses a very severe threat to us, being involved in a very technical hobby whereas the majority of the population has no real idea what exactly we do with these 'powerful engines' in our cars. Since my interest in cars began in 1998, street racing has been happening on the streets of Hampton Roads, and it had been going on for countless years before that. Even then it was widely accepted that stringent (and in some cases borderline unconstitutional) local laws and policies made it hard to have the freedom to modify our vehicles the way we would have liked to. Granted, some of these laws are there for very good reasons- safety, the obvious choice- but some are readily admitted even by those who enforce them to be nothing more than an annoyance to deter young people with limited incomes from joining the crowd of 'street racers', with the added kick of increased revenue to fill the coffers of the city treasury. But I fear that with this recent bust, and the inevitable 'crackdown' that will surely follow, it will become nearly impossible to drive a modified vehicle in hampton roads without risk of a severe fine or in some cases confiscation of what we have poured our heart and souls into. I'm sure I speak for a multitude of enthusiasts who will have nothing to do with the steady influx of irresponsible adolescents who are constantly undermining our efforts to have a fun, safe, 100% legal hobby free of harassment from local law enforcement officials by continuing to think they can get away with their weekly routine of illegal actions. In a perfect world, this bust will affect none other than those who would continue the illegal activity of street racing, but in reality it affects all of us who have worked so hard and taken so much pride in our own vehicles, who would never dream of endangering themselves or others by engaging in a street race. So far what I have witnessed from the media is an attempt to glorify the state police for busting these horrible criminals who put everyone on the road in danger, and the obligatory exaggeration and technical inaccuracies associated with common stereotypes. It is easy to see that anyone who is not familiar with the automotive enthusiast community will see these illegal races and modified vehicles being portrayed in a vastly negative light, and immediately apply a stereotype to all things associated with it. I would just like to attempt to shed some light on what it means to us, as enthusiasts in an incredibly enjoyable hobby, that it be known that not every car you see on the road that happens to be a little louder, a little lower, or makes strange whistling sounds is not a threat or liability. It's just someone who enjoys a hobby, just like the rest of us as Americans are 100% entitled to, and to not automatically associate us with the lawbreakers they see on the news.

go to wavy.com, click the link for contact wavy, provide some personal info and your opinion. i really think a lot of people should get involved in this. this is a good opportunity to prove to the community that we're not all evil commie punks with total disregard for the law.

[LowTech1]

I hope you broke it into paragraphs at least...

[SignfcntOthr]

I, too, emailed all the stations and the local paper.

[blackout]

I hope you broke it into paragraphs at least...

unfortunately, this is a good point. if you try to contact them you'll notice the area they leave you to type in is about half the size of the 'quick reply' box on this board. but if they read the input, they'll get the idea. if not, then there's no use having the contact link in the first place.

[Chris G.]

But the persona of an "import", "street racer" car has already been put into the public's head as a crime breaking individual i.e. does drugs, street races, and any other bad things that might be associated with street racing. You cant change what the public has already seen on tv, so I think its a waste of time trying to change anyones view on the situation... My .02

[jstabb1]

I emailed wavy and WVEC. If there boxes keep getting full they will get the point that we care and want something.

[Wii]

I564 doesn't have 5 lanes do they?

[sung]

But the persona of an "import", "street racer" car has already been put into the public's head as a crime breaking individual i.e. does drugs, street races, and any other bad things that might be associated with street racing. You cant change what the public has already seen on tv, so I think its a waste of time trying to change anyones view on the situation... My .02
this could not be farther from the truth. just ask dan rather and mary mapes at CBS ala "memogate". it's our responsibility to keep media outlets in check.

[blackout]

But the persona of an "import", "street racer" car has already been put into the public's head as a crime breaking individual i.e. does drugs, street races, and any other bad things that might be associated with street racing. You cant change what the public has already seen on tv, so I think its a waste of time trying to change anyones view on the situation... My .02

you'd be surprised. to an intelligent individual, all it takes is being exposed to the idea of something for it to make a difference. for example, if wavy decided to do a three-night showcase on good people having a good time around cars legally, anyone who watched would be swayed unless they have a personal vendetta against street racers or something.

either that or you can accept the fact that you will forever be harassed and stereotyped for your hobby. fuck that.

[SlowLS]

I love how smart these people are where are they now??? I know they are on this board.......maybe there moms will not let them talk about it.
Actually retard, it is probably better for them not to talk about it at all. Ask bonomo what happened when he talked about his little ordeal on here.

[jstabb1]

Someone needs to set up a meeting with police, city officials, media and other local officials and let all the car eunthisist[sp] have there word along with the before stated. Make a legit deal or something instead up everyone just writing it go out and be heard make it known we care instead of the media getting leters and clicking delete and noone ever sees them.

[sucio7]

Someone needs to set up a meeting with police, city officials, media and other local officials and let all the car eunthisist[sp] have there word along with the before stated. Make a legit deal or something instead up everyone just writing it go out and be heard make it known we care instead of the media getting leters and clicking delete and noone ever sees them.
very true if u get a track mean no ticket no money to the political people
no gooooooooooooooooo

[boostedgst97]

what happened to bonoman

[Chris G.]

you'd be surprised. to an intelligent individual, all it takes is being exposed to the idea of something for it to make a difference. for example, if wavy decided to do a three-night showcase on good people having a good time around cars legally, anyone who watched would be swayed unless they have a personal vendetta against street racers or something.

either that or you can accept the fact that you will forever be harassed and stereotyped for your hobby. fuck that.


Look at what I drive..... LOL, I figured I would try to break it up a little bit, Common sense comes with age. I have noticed that the older I have gotten, the less - retarded I drive. Speeding...why, street racing...why???? Nothing other than to pay for it down the road with "through the roof" insurance premiums, possibly an SR-22, that will follow you for 4 years, and the fact that the charge will stay on your driving record for AT LEAST 7 years!


In essence, I dont feel sorry for anyone that lost their cars... The cops have kicked everyone out of that lot every weekend since ummm since they started going out there. You should be able to "read between the lines" everytime you get kicked out

[boostedgst97]

its on

[Cobra4B]

yep..on

[Cobra4B]

Fucking cops come off as stupid...

[non-vtecpower]

I recognized some...

[Cobra4B]

So what if I know people are racing.... If I'm hangin out then Im not "guilty" of anything.

[jstabb1]

Ch. 10 now

[non-vtecpower]

That cop said "They" come back to the parking lot and talk about how fast they ran" ... Ummm no

[Chris G.]

So what if I know people are racing.... If I'm hangin out then Im not "guilty" of anything.


Thats exactly what Im trying to say, that Trooper Carr, basically worded it as such that you were guilty by association!!!!


Fucked up in my opinion

[tegboy757]

5 wide BULL@$#%

[Slimsta Jimsta]

i saw dc2kid handing his license to a cop

[KyleVA]

i saw dc2kid handing his license to a cop

.

Saw some familiar vehicles. -.-

I also don't like the idea that "hanging out" is a crime.

[lookattheAC]

DAMN THEY WERE SO CLOSE TO US

[tiki240]

12 at a time? bullshit.. fucking media..

[Slimsta Jimsta]

"sometimes up to 50 drivers roll out there"

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[KyleVA]

I guess they have no choice except to believe what they are told?

[BanzaiWRX]

i want my nine minutes of my life back

[Black Nugget]

Just watched channel 13, then clicked over to catch the end of channel 3, then clicked over again to see the entire thing on channel 10.

[Slimsta Jimsta]

damn, we need more undercover cops, they can make some pretty tight racing videos :rolleyes:

[elambz]

About the only thing they are right about is that people raced out there. Just about everything else is exagerated.

[catfSSh]

those are some bored as shit cops to sit in the woods with a camera waiting for people to race, only to sit there and watch

fucking worthless

[SignfcntOthr]

It seems as if the police are trying to plead their case through the media. I don't understand why though. I think most agree that the sting was a legit operation and that made legit arrests for the most part. From the onset it seemed as though they have plenty of evidence to get a guilty verdict.

The think that gets me is they seem to be to using the guilty by association mantra, and that I am not kosher with that.

[sung]

write to the Pilot (http://home.hamptonroads.com/feedback/submit.cfm?id=1)

Contact WAVY TV 10 (http://www.wavy.com/Global/category.asp?C=3240&nav=menu45_15)

E-mail WTKR: desk@wtkr.com

Contact WVEC (http://www.wvec.com/customerservice/HelpCenter.do)

E-mail Virginia State Police: questions@vsp.virginia.gov

[elambz]

Just watched channel 13, then clicked over to catch the end of channel 3, then clicked over again to see the entire thing on channel 10.
Luckily someone is sneaky, so they wouldn't be caught on film. :p

[tegboy757]

im seriously trippin over this five wide thing

[boostedgst97]

he coulda atleast flagged us jk lol. im never doin that shit again im headed to the track from now on

[Slimsta Jimsta]

those are some bored as shit cops to sit in the woods with a camera waiting for people to race, only to sit there and watch

fucking worthless
what about people that go to the track to watch their friend race once every 45 minutes...

shit.. i wouldn't mind getting paid to do that


ohh, and your ignant.. i would spell it correctly, but you don't deserve it

[lookattheAC]

he coulda atleast flagged us jk lol. im never doin that shit again im headed to the track from now on

+1

pointless but fun : ]

[elambz]

It seems as if the police are trying to plead their case through the media. I don't understand why though. I think most agree that the sting was a legit operation and that made legit arrests for the most part. From the onset it seemed as though they have plenty of evidence to get a guilty verdict.

The think that gets me is they seem to be to using the guilty by association mantra, and that I am not kosher with that.
I think they are trying to use the media as an outlet to legitimately bust "us" for nothing. They are trying to paint a picture of us being criminals, so that whenever people see a group of car enthusiasts in a parking lot, they will do their civic duty and call the police. And then, because everyone believes we are criminals, they have a legitimate reason to write everyone tickets. They are using the media to make us look like criminals and gain support.

[Wii]

Hampton Roads is the next target they say.

[non-vtecpower]

I wonder how many nights that dude sat in the woods and got nothing..


Or where people really blowing that spot up daily???

[elambz]

Hampton Roads is the next target they say.
This is Hampton Roads? :confused:

They said their are other spots in Hampton Roads, and they are gonna take those down also.

[catfSSh]

what about people that go to the track to watch their friend race once every 45 minutes...

shit.. i wouldn't mind getting paid to do that


ohh, and your ignant.. i would spell it correctly, but you don't deserve it

im sorta confused by that, who are you refering to by people that watch people race at the track?

i was just refering to the fact that an officer apparently more than once has been in the woods with a video camera filming people street racing and has just watched, to me that does not fit the job description of a law enforcement officer.

[elambz]

I wonder how many nights that dude sat in the woods and got nothing..


Or where people really blowing that spot up daily???
They were probably only there on Fridays and Saturdays. Its not like this is a new thing, they had probably figured out by now when they ran.

[dave22]

Fuck the street racing. They just showed the hot teacher who fucked the 14 year old. :thup:

[SignfcntOthr]

Scare tactics.

[elambz]

im sorta confused by that, who are you refering to by people that watch people race at the track?

i was just refering to the fact that an officer apparently more than once has been in the woods with a video camera filming people street racing and has just watched, to me that does not fit the job description of a law enforcement officer.
Its the same thing as putting an officer undercover with a drug dealer. You don't bust them the first time, you gather evidence and bust them once you have a substantial amount. You watch them race one night and bust them, you've got a couple people who went out that night. You film it over and over and you've got a solid case. They knew what they were doing.

[jstabb1]

Good thing noone crashed and hit him.

[catfSSh]

Its the same thing as putting an officer undercover with a drug dealer. You don't bust them the first time, you gather evidence and bust them once you have a substantial amount. You watch them race one night and bust them, you've got a couple people who went out that night. You film it over and over and you've got a solid case. They knew what they were doing.

i thought the traffic jam cams or whatever were doing just that but 24/7???

[1foxbody]

I seen some familar cars out there.And heard some.

[jstabb1]

write to the Pilot (http://home.hamptonroads.com/feedback/submit.cfm?id=1)

Contact WAVY TV 10 (http://www.wavy.com/Global/category.asp?C=3240&nav=menu45_15)

E-mail WTKR: desk@wtkr.com

Contact WVEC (http://www.wvec.com/customerservice/HelpCenter.do)

E-mail Virginia State Police: questions@vsp.virginia.gov

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[SHOFEAR94]

Lets put our energy into inquiring about who is going to offer to let people chill on their property after sunset and after we find out the city, we ask for a police officer to be present at all times to prevent any stupidty in the lots. I would rather push for this then fantasize about a track being built. I've already noted there is no denying the racing, no point in fighting the sting anymore..its over and done with. But only those who were out there should be charged not everyone in the lot due to their "guilt by association" thats horsesh*t.

[Slimsta Jimsta]

I think they are trying to use the media as an outlet to legitimately bust "us" for nothing. They are trying to paint a picture of us being criminals, so that whenever people see a group of car enthusiasts in a parking lot, they will do their civic duty and call the police. And then, because everyone believes we are criminals, they have a legitimate reason to write everyone tickets. They are using the media to make us look like criminals and gain support.
Yea, because it's not like being a criminal means you break the law.

And street racing is legal now also, damn what's the fuss about.

[Slimsta Jimsta]

im sorta confused by that, who are you refering to by people that watch people race at the track?

i was just refering to the fact that an officer apparently more than once has been in the woods with a video camera filming people street racing and has just watched, to me that does not fit the job description of a law enforcement officer.
Ok, he was helping to build a case against illegal activity... but your absolutely right, that has nothing AT ALL to do with law enforcement.

[sung]

Yea, because it's not like being a criminal means you break the law.

And street racing is legal now also, damn what's the fuss about.
You missed the point. Don't reply.

[sung]

Ok, he was helping to build a case against illegal activity... but your absolutely right, that has nothing AT ALL to do with law enforcement.
You actually for once are on the right track with this one. Nobody is blaming the State Police for busting the people on 564. It's everybody else that has to suffer which is where the problem lies.

[Slimsta Jimsta]

You missed the point. Don't reply.
fucking shit, you're right.. i was assuming that when he said "us" he was talking about "street racers" sense that's been the mentality of quite a few on here.

[catfSSh]

Ok, he was helping to build a case against illegal activity... but your absolutely right, that has nothing AT ALL to do with law enforcement.

alright i do agree there, he was accumulating incrminating evidence toward a future bust of illegal street racing. but doesnt it seem a little redundent and unnecissary to be literally waiting for street racers to come to him so he could make footage already being captured through traffic cams?

either way, it happend and apparently it worked so ill just give up

[sung]

alright i do agree there, he was accumulating incrminating evidence toward a future bust of illegal street racing. but doesnt it seem a little redundent and unnecissary to be literally waiting for street racers to come to him so he could make footage already being captured through traffic cams?

either way, it happend and apparently it worked so ill just give up
No offense buddy but in my opinion you are wrong on this one.

[elambz]

Yea, because it's not like being a criminal means you break the law.

And street racing is legal now also, damn what's the fuss about.
Sung is right, you missed the point, but I'll explain. The us was directed at those who geniunely don't want to street race. Not everyone who goes out there is a criminal. I guess everyone is guilty of trespassing, but does that really make you a criminal? They are trying to make everyone in the lot look like they were there to race. That's not the case and you know it. It's unfair to everyone involved. Its true, everyone there knew about the racing, but some of them went out the just to meet up.

[Slimsta Jimsta]

Sung is right, you missed the point, but I'll explain. The us was directed at those who geniunely don't want to street race. Not everyone who goes out there is a criminal. I guess everyone is guilty of trespassing, but does that really make you a criminal? They are trying to make everyone in the lot look like they were there to race. That's not the case and you know it. It's unfair to everyone involved. Its true, everyone there knew about the racing, but some of them went out the just to meet up.
yea, if you read my post above(im sure you haven't yet) but i misinterpretted the 'us' that you talked of, my bad man haha

[elambz]

alright i do agree there, he was accumulating incrminating evidence toward a future bust of illegal street racing. but doesnt it seem a little redundent and unnecissary to be literally waiting for street racers to come to him so he could make footage already being captured through traffic cams?

either way, it happend and apparently it worked so ill just give up
Just stop, are you really complaining about a guy sitting in the bushes filming people? Odds are this officer was scheduled to be on duty at the time anyways, so they didn't spend extra money, they just had him sit in the bushes instead of sitting in a patrol car or behind a desk.

[elambz]

yea, if you read my post above(im sure you haven't yet) but i misinterpretted the 'us' that you talked of, my bad man haha
Its all good, as soon as I posted I went and read what was posted during my typing. :thup: I figured you just missed the point and weren't just being an ass. I'm doing good at figuring out when certain people are being asses or just stupid for the minute. :p

[Hatch Man(GsR)]

I recognize a lot of the cars in the vids too... Thats really crazy...

[Slimsta Jimsta]

haha, you can't take me seriously but for so much on here

[12ipone]

wow I haven't been out to the races in like 6+ years. Watching this shyt on the news brings me back lol. Honestly I'm not sure about now but back then (mid to late 90's) we all knew what we were doing and what the consequences were for hanging out where there's racing going on. I can remeber when the cops came to bust the spot the last car to leave the spot was the one that ended up with the cops regardless even if it was an 87 4 door sentra. Anyways to those of you who lost your ridez. Dat shyt sucks. Unfourtanetly that's just part of the game we're in if you decide to be participate on the chillen/racing night life. NEwayz Keep it light guys and good luck to those of you who need it.

[catfSSh]

Just stop, are you really complaining about a guy sitting in the bushes filming people? Odds are this officer was scheduled to be on duty at the time anyways, so they didn't spend extra money, they just had him sit in the bushes instead of sitting in a patrol car or behind a desk.

ah as much as i hate to admit it, youre right.
i just try to find fault in officers, mainly because i dont like them but thats a whole nother story.

back on topic now.

[SHOFEAR94]

Heres an idea, how about everyone stop bashing each other over dumbsh*t. Theres no point in wasting bandwith trying to figure out who on dragva is a car enthuisiast, because we ALL are or wouldn't be here. Again, while the fire is lit lets take this opportunity to turn things around and get support for a place to go. The local media will be moving onto other stories really soon so NOW is the time.

[ritz]

They weren't being unfair by hiding in the bushes they were being smart.

[elambz]

The local media will be moving onto other stories really soon so NOW is the time.
Basing the time table on that statement, I'd say we have til around April 3rd to get the ball moving, because once the trials happen(which I doubt will last that long), the media will move on. You are right, we need to get the ball moving.

I think we'd do better as far as getting things done if we worked together. I think everyone writing e-mails is a good idea, but I also think we need to work together. The next closest upcoming event is the TTE Poker Run. Sung and others, like yourself, have opened up a line of communication with the media. Let's use that to try to get the media out for that event. Let's try to get the Pilot out there, get a local news channel out there. Hell, even if its just a story on the news at noon, or a 5th page story in the Hampton Roads section, get the media involved in something good for the community. The added attention could also bring in more money for the real cause, which is charity, but also serve a purpose for other causes.

[SlowLS]

what happened to bonoman
pm him to get the right story, if he wants to talk about it. Not sure if you remember his end of my racing days post or not. But is proves that the police do read whats going on on here.

[sho taurus]

Just everybody let it go and hang low for awhile. I know that's hard for the 9 people who lost their cars. The more you write the newspapers and tv stations the more they will keep putting it in the news. The more it's in the news, the more it's on police officers, city officials and other people's minds. Then other cops and people that weren't involved and such will start looking for street racer looking cars everywhere. Just leave it alone and in a few days you won't hear anything in the news. News is only going to report on what people react to. That way you watch their show. My opinion on this is some under covers are trying to justify their jobs and to blow this up and make it look like city's money well spent. Because I haven't heard about anyone local out street racing and losing control and killing anyone. So I can't see where all of this came from all of sudden. I'm sticking with the justifying some city jobs. I guess the under cover State and Norfolk police are too much of a chicken shit to go out catch all the drug dealers and murders in Norfolk. Those bad guys might have guns and they might be shot at. They rather give some 16 year old kid a ticket for a bald tire or loud exhaust. But then again if I was a police officer I would be looking for that same 16 year too. Their pay isn't worth my life either. But anyhoot, JUST LET IT BE and it will all fade away before you know it. Who knows maybe some other hot ass teacher will get caught banging a 12 year old or maybe the vice president will shot another buddy in his face, the whole bad street racer thing will be in the past. :cool:

[elambz]

I can't believe you'd say something that ignorant that you think everything will just go back to normal in no time. I seriously doubt things will ever be the same. I got a feeling there won't be cops telling people to leave, there will just be cops writing tickets. If anything is gonna be done, it needs to be done while this issue is at the forefront. Whether that be getting a place to hangout, or a place to race. No matter how much of a longshot that might be, now is probably a better time than any to bring the issue up.

[sho taurus]

Ignorant? LOL you think the city is going to spend money to build a track or a parking lot for car people to hang out? What's in it for them? City officials only want that $ and those options aren't money makers. Trust me as soon as something happens like maybe Pat Robertson gets caught with child porn, you won't hear one word about street racing for a while. You'll hear a quick little story when those 9 people go to court, because they are going to be made an example to us all. News reporting is a business believe it or not. They are not going to report what nobody wants to talk about. Don't ever believe what you read in the paper or see on the news. They blow it up so people stay tune and keep watching, so they get more sponsers to pay their salaries. They don't do what the do for kicks. News report are trying to make an buck too. Half the stories they report on, I'm sure the reporters couldn't give 2 shits less about whatever it is. But it pays their checks. So they over exagerrated and lie to make the story sound so horrible or exciting so you keep watching and while your doing that your watching their sponser's ads which pays their bills. I would say maybe a tenth of what you read or watch in the news is actually true. Believe me I've been through this same song and dance every election year for my old job I use to have. You hang low and give no comments. Reporters will move on to something else they and the police officers can blow up to justify their jobs, so they don't get laid off and pay their bills along the way.

[driftnby]

that whole situation sucks but the whole getting caught racing and getting kicked out of parking lots and getting fines and shit is all part of the game. everyone knows theres conquences from street racing. i know that and thats why street racing is such a rush. people that are true to street racing still do it, move on and dont give a fuck about the conquences. and the cities around there building tracks... i dont think thats going to happen because thats not making the cities any money and they think why build a track when we can build a thousand fucking subdivision, and more useless srtipmalls. everyone should of know the cops were going to crack down there sooner or later. there are plunty of other spots but some people dont like to drive, if it takes driving 30minutes or so to get a good night of racing in i was always down but you could never find a group of people to travel. the way i see it if your not down for traveling to a safe spot then take your chances getting caught. its all about being smart about it.


later

[elambz]

I never said the city had to pay for it. There have been people who have said they had the money and went to the city and were denied. Its not about the city spending money, its about them allowing someone to privately do it. I think finding someone with the money to do it would be a lot easier than getting the city to approve it. The city also doesn't need to build a parking lot for anyone. There are plenty of public lots around the area, but you have to be gone by sunset. When we went out to speak with the news, as soon as it was over we had to be gone. I believe the police were called when the crackhead was going crazy there. When she came by she said she couldn't do anything about him, because there wasn't a complaint about harassment(aparently attempting to damage the news van and causing a disturbance isn't a crime), but she made sure to tell us we had to be gone by sundown. :rolleyes: I don't understand what the big problem is with letting people hang out in a lot is. I doubt they'd give us a reason either.

And yes, I do believe what you are saying is ignorant about letting it pass. Its not like things are gonna go away. You have points on the rest, but just because the media isn't reporting it doesn't mean that everything will be fine.

[driftnby]

yes it does make us look bad but thats the media. sence when has anyone thats not into racing and cars thought good of us. everyones got there own hobbies! and this is ours but they do strech the truth alot. everything will cool down, in another 6 months there will probly be another story about street racing. thats the way the shit goes... street racing has been around for ages and it will always be around... put that in the back of your mind and have a good time, thats what its all about.

[sumospeed.com]

that whole situation sucks but the whole getting caught racing and getting kicked out of parking lots and getting fines and shit is all part of the game. everyone knows theres conquences from street racing. i know that and thats why street racing is such a rush. people that are true to street racing still do it, move on and dont give a fuck about the conquences. and the cities around there building tracks... i dont think thats going to happen because thats not making the cities any money and they think why build a track when we can build a thousand fucking subdivision, and more useless srtipmalls. everyone should of know the cops were going to crack down there sooner or later. there are plunty of other spots but some people dont like to drive, if it takes driving 30minutes or so to get a good night of racing in i was always down but you could never find a group of people to travel. the way i see it if your not down for traveling to a safe spot then take your chances getting caught. its all about being smart about it.
later

who is this?

[elambz]

Not everyone is here to street race. You may enjoy participating in illegal activities, but I sure don't. You have you're good time now, and when you lose your car see if it was worth it. The whole problem is that everyone involved is looked at as a street racer, which paints a bad image on all of us.

[driftnby]

remember the cops and the media are just doing there job and we need to do our job and try to avoid them
-aaron- aka allmota

[elambz]

who is this?His name is Aaron according to one of his other posts. I thought it might of been James Beck(I think you know him, he has/had a beige 240 and the plates were the same as that guy's username) but one of his posts said different.

[elambz]

remember the cops and the media are just doing there job and we need to do our job and try to avoid them
-aaron- aka allmota
That's fucking retarded.

[sumospeed.com]

His name is Aaron according to one of his other posts. I thought it might of been James Beck(I think you know him, he has/had a beige 240 and the plates were the same as that guy's username) but one of his posts said different.
exactly what i was thinkin lol

[driftnby]

Not everyone is here to street race. You may enjoy participating in illegal activities, but I sure don't. You have you're good time now, and when you lose your car see if it was worth it. The whole problem is that everyone involved is looked at as a street racer, which paints a bad image on all of us.

yes and thats very true and i dont think they should look at everyone like that because not all people like to street race and some people just like to hang out and chat or go to the track. thats a risk im willing to take, and theres always another car to build

[elambz]

Only reason I checked was because what he said didn't seem like Beck, and I was hoping it wasn't him.

[driftnby]

im the guy that had the white da on spray that rolled out on slicks all the time

[sumospeed.com]

im the guy that had the white da on spray that rolled out on slicks all the time
ya no shit aaron.by the way you need to move back here pronto

[HighPSI TSi Guy]

this online yet for people who didn't get it on TV or missed it to see?

i'm always up for some good racing vids.. lol..

[TheGoaT]

so is there a link to the video they showed last night at 11?

[SMOKEYBEAR]

so is there a link to the video they showed last night at 11?

Check wtkr.com and wavy10.com

[The_rabbit1]

Here'smy e-mail to the papers and SP:

My name is --------, I am the owner of Conejo Motorwerx. I am one of the regular people that congregates at the "meets" at the different spots in the hampton roads area with what everyone is calling "the street racers" nowadays. I just wanted to mention while I do associate with the other people that go to these meetings to meet other people not everyone that goes there goes to race. Some go to learn about cars, some go to see other people's cars, and some go to spread the word about their business. None of the people I associate with condone "street racing" but just as we cannot do anything about the peopl squealing tires, leaving trash, or picking fights we cannot stop people from going off and racing. I and a few others have asked for police assistance in keeping the peace but we have been blown off several times. Hopefully the recent events don't ruin everyone's elses good name. Thank you for your time, ---------

[Corey]

Manny, you're up early.

When I get home from work I plan on writing something to all of the papers/news channels. I will be sure to include that none of them have ever come to the chairty events that TTE has put on. They were definitely invited. I think getting them to cover some of the poker run would be good for our group.

[_____]

I didnt read through 4 pages of rambling, but I never once saw anyone that was interviewd on tv, say that if you guys had somewhere to hang out that you would let a cop patrol it. All I heard was "we were wrongly accused, we didnt do anything wrong"... and so on. But no one talked about the terms you guys would accept, to put the public at ease about these gatherings on Friday and Saturday nights.

The best thing that everyone has going for them right now is Sung's letter to the Pilot.

[C45P312]

I was on my way to Florida :)

Good luck to whom ever about what ever.

[Spindrift]

anyone got a different link? the first one I saw doesnt work

[RPRacing]

I didnt read through 4 pages of rambling, but I never once saw anyone that was interviewd on tv, say that if you guys had somewhere to hang out that you would let a cop patrol it. All I heard was "we were wrongly accused, we didnt do anything wrong"... and so on. But no one talked about the terms you guys would accept, to put the public at ease about these gatherings on Friday and Saturday nights.

The best thing that everyone has going for them right now is Sung's letter to the Pilot.
(not making these statements to be IN YOUR FACE, just using your quote to start my rant. :) )

Unfortunately, i stressed that point. I used the Trashmore lot that we set the meeting up in as someplace we would like to have to hang out at night with police in the lot walking around, talking with us. Do some research on LACR.net. I think it still talks about the programs that local law enforcement has worked out with the tracks. They have officers who give out tickets....tickets to go to the track and keep racing legal;they are warning tickets to let people know that the police are still around patrolling streets. They have officers who go out to the "spot" and talk with people about pros of legal racing and cons of street racing. They have a devoted budget to pushing to make racing on the streets less and keeping the streets safe. Hell, they even have some police officers who build personal cars and get the city to let them race at the tracks with police paint/ensignia (i think there is an older chevy, new infinity, even a rail car);they give the kids an opportunity to "beat the heat." If they win, they get a shirt that says "I beat the heat."

"The downfall to our area is that the government will never get behind such programs." I think thats a statement they we let be true. WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT. Why do you think nothing changes? because we are on here bitching, in a lot at night bitching, spending our free time bullshitting around;thats why. Who are people that the government listens to: the people who spend 5,10, 30 minutes to sit down and write a letter, call their local delagate, do some research and make their voice heard. Our crowd is typically younger and i would even say more immature than the population most laws are made by/for. IF WE WANT ANYTHING TO CHANGE. WE NEED TO GET A POPULATION TO MAKE THEIR VOICES HEARD (DISCLAIMER:By this i mean, taking action to inform the media and government of our desires in a legal manner.)

I will write my letter to the local media today, I suggest you do too.

-Francisco

[89NinjaAccordLX]

The way I see this whole situation: any attention is bad attention.

The police want the media to tell THEIR story.
We want the media to tell OUR story.

The police however work with the media everyday on certain projects that they can both benefit from. No police action = no news. I TOTALLY agree with everyone trying to sway the media to show our inccocent "enthusiast" story. I don't think they'll do it though. I'm sure the police of hampton roads have some sort of "media relations fund" that keeps the channels telling the "good cop" stories.

Now, we find a million dollar investor willing to drop serious money into the media pockets and I'm sure they'll change their tune and find some way to smooth everything over.

Young people mad about streetracing laws is not going to move anyone to change the legislation. Guess we'll just have to see how this turns out. If anything really retarded happens, I'm moving to NC.

EDIT: I sent a couple letters out myself to media types. I don't think it will do a LOT of good, but hey, every little bit...

[sung]

Anybody have a copy of today's pilot? I heard there was a letter to the editor printing in regards to all of this and I'd like to read it. If anybody could transcribe it for us that'd be great. Keep writing them!

[(F-)]

someone go pick one up!!

[_____]

(not making these statements to be IN YOUR FACE, just using your quote to start my rant. :) )

Unfortunately, i stressed that point. I used the Trashmore lot that we set the meeting up in as someplace we would like to have to hang out at night with police in the lot walking around, talking with us. Do some research on LACR.net. I think it still talks about the programs that local law enforcement has worked out with the tracks. They have officers who give out tickets....tickets to go to the track and keep racing legal;they are warning tickets to let people know that the police are still around patrolling streets. They have officers who go out to the "spot" and talk with people about pros of legal racing and cons of street racing. They have a devoted budget to pushing to make racing on the streets less and keeping the streets safe. Hell, they even have some police officers who build personal cars and get the city to let them race at the tracks with police paint/ensignia (i think there is an older chevy, new infinity, even a rail car);they give the kids an opportunity to "beat the heat." If they win, they get a shirt that says "I beat the heat."

"The downfall to our area is that the government will never get behind such programs." I think thats a statement they we let be true. WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT. Why do you think nothing changes? because we are on here bitching, in a lot at night bitching, spending our free time bullshitting around;thats why. Who are people that the government listens to: the people who spend 5,10, 30 minutes to sit down and write a letter, call their local delagate, do some research and make their voice heard. Our crowd is typically younger and i would even say more immature than the population most laws are made by/for. IF WE WANT ANYTHING TO CHANGE. WE NEED TO GET A POPULATION TO MAKE THEIR VOICES HEARD (DISCLAIMER:By this i mean, taking action to inform the media and government of our desires in a legal manner.)

I will write my letter to the local media today, I suggest you do too.

-Francisco

Aslong as you spoke up Francisco, thats all that you can do at the moment. And no offence taken :)

[RPRacing]

now get back to work slacker

[RPRacing]

Anybody have a copy of today's pilot? I heard there was a letter to the editor printing in regards to all of this and I'd like to read it. If anybody could transcribe it for us that'd be great. Keep writing them!
gimme a couple minutes.

[_____]

now get back to work slacker
<3 :(

[jstabb1]

Andy fox from wavy 10 called and said if we want to have the communitys back then someone needs to give the community a better outlook on why and what drag racing is. He said not nescary someone who has done it on 564 or was involved in the sting. He also said they don't want to hear about the parking lot victims they want someone who has drag raced to explain what it is, explain the hush you get, why you do something so dangerous. He said hes willing to not show your face or name. He just said he got about 20 letters in one night and noone will speak. He can only help us as much as we are willing to help him. He also mentioned that people have been talking about a track being so far away. He said mentioning that as a reason is good also.He can be reached at 434-5342.

Sorry for any misspellings.

[jstabb1]

P.S. Andy Fox is the road rebels guy that chases cars, so he will put up a fight and argument.

[RPRacing]

Virginian Pilot 3/9/06
Autocross is a safe alternative to street racing

Re "State Police put brakes on street racing in Norfolk" (front page, March 5):
Until last weekend, I had no idea that street drag racing was as big a problem as it is. I would like to challenge the folks who think they have fast cars to take them to an autocross and see if their driving skills are up to the abilities of their cars.
These events are organized and safe, and an excellent way to learn the limitations of the car and to gain important skills for everyday driving.
Autocross, also known as Solo2, is a popular form of motor sports competition. Rather than racing wheel-to-wheel, as in road racing, drag racing or oval racing, an autocross is a timed handling competition.
Organizations such as the Sports Car Club of America (SCCA) sponsor autocross events throughout the United States, and many areas have independent autocross clubs.
In Hampton Roads, the Old Dominion Region SCCA, Tidewater Sports Car Club and Beachcomber's Corvette Club hold autocross events. There are at least one or two each month in this area.
For more information, go to www.autocross.us , www.tidewatersportscarclub.com , www.odr-scca.org , www.beachcomberscorvetteclub.com

Wes Michaels
President
Tidewater Sports Car Club
Virginia Beach

from today

[Spindrift]

nice

[SHOFEAR94]

P.S. Andy Fox is the road rebels guy that chases cars, so he will put up a fight and argument.


Wow so I wasn't the only one who got a call this morning from Andy Fox. He asked me for someone whow as on I-564 and nothing else, and said he had no knowledge of any "sympathizers" contacting WAVy saying they would allow car people to congregate on their property.

Also, though on tv that haven't included a statement from anyone stating we want a lot that is patroled to avoid any stupidity..but I have said that to each news anchor who has contacted me, off camera. I cannot do an on camera interview because it would be a conflict of interest to my job. I am not ignornant to what needs to be done so I asure you I am doing my best.

[(F-)]

i fucking hate autocross

[nutsack]

Did anyone read this letter to the editor in yesterdays Virginian-Pilot?



Virginian-Pilot 3/8/2006

An act of revenge?


I was one of the hundreds of people affected by the more than 300 acts of car vandalism over the weekend (front page, March 7).
Has the timing of the early Sunday morning shooting of vehicle windows — a day after groups of people were arrested for drag racing — occurred to anyone else? Could these acts of vandalism be some sort of message to the police and us — a sort of, “if you take our cars, we’ll damage yours”?
With so many vehicles damaged in such a short time, perhaps more than one person is responsible. And these “fast and furious” wannabes apparently think we owe them something. “Give us a place to hang out and run our cars and we won’t have to hang out in shopping centers” was the attitude I saw in several media interviews.
I did, after all, have plenty of time to spend watching the news since I couldn’t drive anywhere over the weekend.

Kenneth M. Johnson
Virginia Beach

[SHOFEAR94]

Did anyone read this letter to the editor in yesterdays Virginian-Pilot?

That guy is an idiot and using a scapegoat..one of the dumbest things I have heard.

[nutsack]

That guy is an idiot and using a scapegoat..one of the dumbest things I have heard.

i'll agree he is an idiot, but i'm sure there a lot more people out there that think just like him.

[Elhazzja]

wow what an ass!!

[vasponger]

Andy fox from wavy 10 called and said if we want to have the communitys back then someone needs to give the community a better outlook on why and what drag racing is. He said not nescary someone who has done it on 564 or was involved in the sting. He also said they don't want to hear about the parking lot victims they want someone who has drag raced to explain what it is, explain the hush you get, why you do something so dangerous. He said hes willing to not show your face or name. He just said he got about 20 letters in one night and noone will speak. He can only help us as much as we are willing to help him. He also mentioned that people have been talking about a track being so far away. He said mentioning that as a reason is good also.He can be reached at 434-5342.

Sorry for any misspellings.


I dont think they understand that a majority of the people do not want to race, they just want to be able to hang out without gettin hassled

[kirill]

Haha, Nick (drive) got a call from WAVY from some reporter i guess asking him to find a "real street racer" to interview on why they do it.

[ultra spikey]

believe it or not, a lot of people still and will street race. All I hear are people saying they want a place to chill, but you all know as well as I do that if we do have a spot to chill, there will be some street racing going on. I think we really need to work on getting a legal place to drag race. We should definately use the media to help us. I see a lot of people on here who have interest in opening a small drag strip or whatever, but I havnt seen or heard anything about it in the latest news coverages.

[blackout]

believe it or not, a lot of people still and will street race. All I hear are people saying they want a place to chill, but you all know as well as I do that if we do have a spot to chill, there will be some street racing going on. I think we really need to work on getting a legal place to drag race. We should definately use the media to help us. I see a lot of people on here who have interest in opening a small drag strip or whatever, but I havnt seen or heard anything about it in the latest news coverages.

agreed. what's the point of hanging out talking about racing when you could be physically racing? especially with all the young idiots who WILL act out in any place of congregation. i really think the focus should be a local racetrack, i don't care what kind of 'pipe dreams' they might be. this is the united states of america, why the fuck should we settle for 'it's never going to happen'???

the only other goal would be more lenient rules/enforcement for vehicle modifications in the city of virginia beach. i just spent two years without getting a second glance from cops, and now i get to move back to all hell breaking loose, and i really don't feel comfortable driving my car without feeling like i could be pulled over for whatever stupid reason an officer decides to harass me about. i really think maryland should be used as an example. since i moved here, i have not heard of ANY underground street racing scene, and the obvious reason is that there are THREE racetracks within about a 70-mile radius. the answer to this 'problem' is exceptionally simple. instead of attempting to limit our rights with what we do with our cars, allow a local track to be built so we can enjoy our hobby legally.

now we just need a way through all the red tape. i'll gladly spearhead the operation once i am 100% living in the area again.

[sho taurus]

You can hear someone's Lightning on there.

That's definitly no Lightning sounds like an supercharged Mustang to me.
Also I've seemed to misplaced my copy of the street racing language and secret codes hand book. Can someone fax me a copy please? :rolleyes:

[Spindrift]

i'll agree he is an idiot, but i'm sure there a lot more people out there that think just like him.
probably more now that he threw that idea out there.

[CavemanRacing]

Why did they play a revised version of the races last night????

[driftnby]

man if i still lived up there i would jump right in front of that camara. ill give him my reasons why i do it and they could show my face i wouldnt give a shit.

[HighPSI TSi Guy]

from today

what a fucking idiot. He needs to die in a fire. I don't mind autox fags, but the ones that refuse to understand that drag is a different sport and that nobody builds a drag gar to autox need to just cease their existance.


Did anyone read this letter to the editor in yesterdays Virginian-Pilot?

another excellent example of public retardation. Unfortunately, in our modern world, the majority of people will think like this, because 9/10 people in the modern world are heavily retarded.

[Shive]

man if i still lived up there i would jump right in front of that camara. ill give him my reasons why i do it and they could show my face i wouldnt give a shit.And you're somebody that we wouldn't want to jump in front of the camera. We wouldn't want someone who "doesn't give a shit" to represent us.

[sumospeed.com]

i also recieved a call from andy fox this morning asking if i knew anyone.i called some poeple but nobody wanted to be interviewed

[TheGoaT]

Wow so I wasn't the only one who got a call this morning from Andy Fox. He asked me for someone whow as on I-564 and nothing else, and said he had no knowledge of any "sympathizers" contacting WAVy saying they would allow car people to congregate on their property.

Also, though on tv that haven't included a statement from anyone stating we want a lot that is patroled to avoid any stupidity..but I have said that to each news anchor who has contacted me, off camera. I cannot do an on camera interview because it would be a conflict of interest to my job. I am not ignornant to what needs to be done so I asure you I am doing my best.

I have no conflict of interest, tell him I would answer his questions. Its no secret Ive been to 564 long ago.

[tie fitr]

You should send them your video, so they at least have some better footage. HaHaha

[The_rabbit1]

Yeah andy called me too. I told him I'd explain the thought process for him but i was at work and he told me to call him back but he had gotten a hold of someone by 3o'clock. So watch the news he said it'll be on at like 5:30 ....or was it 6:30......

[Spike101]

I tried to watch the video. I saw the little seatow shit and once the video is ready to appear on the internet, it doesnt play? is it me or whats up? im mad I didnt see the news and I cant see it on the internet.

[The_rabbit1]

finish watching the seatow ad it starts right afterwards. u just have to b patient

[sho taurus]

You should send them your video, so they at least have some better footage. HaHaha

LOL Good one!