View Full Version : No more "WTB Vehicle" Threads in "Vehicle For sale" forum
RPRacing
10-08-2005, 12:36 AM
Personally, i think its dumb. I feel that some people can easily post a certain type of vehicle in a price range and let the people who actually give a damn about selling a car post in there. Maybe a seller who advertises for price "A" would be willing to sell for price "A" minus $500 to that person asap if the buyer is serious.
If you arent going to allow any more WTB threads in the "Vehicles for sale" forum. At least add a "WTB Vehicle" Forum. This is only fair and i think its not something that would get fucked up to easily.
Just post rules there.
-Francisco
boostedgst97
10-08-2005, 01:05 AM
also with a wtb thread section say i wanted a vehicle that may not be in the fs thread but maybe somebody knows somebody selling the type vehicle i want they could post there in my thread and let me know about it. with out posting the wtb thread i may have never found out about it. thats just my 2 cent just tryin to help
The vehicle for sale section is for SERIOUS SELLERS ONLY. If someone is serious about selling their vehicle, they will make a FS thread about it. Taking that into account, WTB threads only serve lazy people who do not bother to read through the for sale ads. Anything that adds more clutter than it is useful will not be tolerated in that forum.
RPRacing
10-10-2005, 07:02 AM
what about the other valid points that were brought up. friends selling a car or someone sees a car at a dealership that a wtb thread was made for.
My real question is what negative outcome would come from having a WTB Vehicle section?
Cnamz
10-10-2005, 12:05 PM
Why not perhaps make a WTB Vehicle thread in the Vehicles forum and sticky it, so folks have a place to post WTB ads?
DORKO
10-10-2005, 01:05 PM
i seriously think that NO wtb posts in the vehicle for sale thread has made a buch of peopel angry..?
i mean im sure that the mods dont care that we are angry, and they are trying to keep the board clutter down, but i think that we should have at least 1 wtb section in eiter a different section or in the vehicle for sale section..
it could be liek the 4x4 parts for sale section where its just 1 post, and everybody post their cars that they are looking to buy?
just tryign to help out some..
brandon
what about the other valid points that were brought up.
what valid points? There aren't any. WTB threads create more mess than their usefulness. If you want me to take you seriously make a chart listing the pros and cons of WTB threads.
RPRacing
10-10-2005, 04:39 PM
Pro:
1) People can put out clearly what type of vehicle they are looking for (i.e.: price, make, model, year, mods preferred, etc.)
2) If someone knows of a car not listed on DragVA and not their own, they can help another member out and give them a heads up (i.e.: dealerships, friends, co-workers, etc.)
3) In the case that someone overlooks a thread (which can happen to anybody, not just incompetent people), they can still see a car that is listed on drag.
4) In the case of someone not ardently looking to sell their car, but will to the right buyer for the right price and they see the “WTB” thread that would meet criteria they would part with their car for.
Con:
1) Users who spam their car for sale in threads where it’s obvious that the car does not meet the thread starter’s criteria
2) Thread starters who have no money to spend (but this also holds true in the “For Sale” forum in the sense that people respond to a thread and have little or no money to spend)
I do not see how the Cons outweigh the Pros. If you are worried about it being a mess and not having serious threads, make rules for the forum.
Name:
Means of contact
Location of self
Location preferred of possible sellers
Amount range to spend
Makes/Models/Years preferred
Any Other Pertinent info
-Francisco
All of those pros are things we don't want or don't need here. In response to each of them:
1) This site isn't catering to buyers. This isn't a dealership. If you're looking to buy a car this should be the last place you look and certainly it is more useful to actually browse the cars for sale than have a ton of useless wtb threads. Have you looked at the wtb threads in the past? They serve almost no purpose other than having people spam their $1000 beaters for sale.
2) A car not listed on dragva means absolutely nothing to us.
3) We're not here to cater to people who are not serious about buying or selling. It's pretty simple to use the search function to find a type of vehicle you are looking for and not miss any threads.
4) This site is not for people who are not serious about selling their car, if their car isn't for sale then no harm is done. Furthermore, the type of users these kinds of posts attract are the type of people whom we do not want using the site which is why these rules were put into effect in the first place. People complain about quality of our users but as soon as we put rules in place to keep the riffraff out we've got people like you complaining about that.
Maybe you don't understand what the for sale forums are like. Some of the more mature members who take time to make a professional for sale thread but who do not have the time to sit on the computer and bump their thread every hour get no traffic on their for sale thread because there is simply too many useless posts cluttering up that area. This is not how we want things to operate. The goal is to reward those sellers who take the time to make a professional thread and are serious about selling their vehicle so they don't have to worry about their thread getting the traffic it deserves.
For every 1 WTB thread you can find that is actually useful I can show you 10 that are not and that deteriorate the quality of our for sale section and like I already said those types of posts attract people whom we do not want using this site to begin with.
As far as a seperate WTB forum goes, show me why you think that would be worth the trouble. Show me that I am wrong about the WTB threads in the past. Have you read through them all? I have.
RPRacing
10-10-2005, 07:26 PM
I think you are just shooting the idea down more than you are seeing the benefit in them. With your response about catering to buyers, I ask why you dont cater buyers? Who do you cater to? Sellers? Why them?
If this should be the last place people look to buy a car, why do we have a for sale forum?
If you look at a lot of posts and threads in the past (and currently), they serve almost no purpose.
A car not listed on here may not mean dick to you, BUT what about the person looking for a car and one not listed on dragva suits him perfectly? Why would you not want to help someone out?
You cannot stereotype people by a thread they make.
I think rules are great. how many times have people tried to Pm, email, or post in a thread on something with no response from the seller? the new for sale rules with contact info is great. you know how the buyer prefers to be contacted. I say just be strict on the rule enforcement in the WTB forum and it shouldnt be a problem. If you look at the Honda-Tech market place you will see a new organization for their classified section, i think it has made them more efficient.
I understand that the for sale rules benefit the seller and the members looking to buy as a whole and equally. I do not understand how potential buyers cannot be rewarded similarly.
I dont see a problem with allowing them in a controlled environment with rules that are strictly enforced like the other forums in the classified section.
What it comes down to is that if you're making WTB threads on big ticket items like a car you're just lazy and don't want to search (on drag or elsewhere).
I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but we're the ones that have had to deal with the junk postings. So until we get a handle on the current situation adding more to the plate (right now) is out of the question. Implementing it at a later date? Anything is possible.
RPRacing
10-10-2005, 08:34 PM
i think everything you say that puts down a FS car thread also could be applied to a FS car thread.
If you feel that having a WTB Vehicle forum or allowing WTB Vehicle threads would be putting too much on the plate of the mods, why not add one single WTB Vehicle Thread with rules and info required. If someone selling a vehicle who finds a post in that thread, they PM, email, or call the person who made the post. . This could be used as a trial for the this type of threads or forum. It would appease some, make others happy, and benefit both buyers and sellers.
Sellers? Why them?
They are the only ones we can verify as being serious therefore making their threads viable.
If this should be the last place people look to buy a car, why do we have a for sale forum?
That question makes no sense because any answer to it you can turn it around and use the same thing for an arguement for a WTB. Just because people should go to ebay/autotrader/dealership/newspaper first does not mean they can't come here too.
A car not listed on here may not mean dick to you, BUT what about the person looking for a car and one not listed on dragva suits him perfectly? Why would you not want to help someone out?
Are you really asking us to take into consideration cars that aren't listed on this website? Why would you think that we want to put any of our time into something that doesn't deal with this website?
You cannot stereotype people by a thread they make.
Maybe you can't/don't/won't. But I can, do and will. Go ahead and site some references to prove me wrong.
I dont see a problem with allowing them in a controlled environment with rules that are strictly enforced like the other forums in the classified section.
The idea isn't bad. I'm just saying the same thing I've been saying the whole time. I know what it would turn into. I asked you in the previous post, go read all the WTB threads and then show me why you think this is incorrect.
RPRacing
10-10-2005, 10:00 PM
That question makes no sense because any answer to it you can turn it around and use the same thing for an arguement for a WTB. Just because people should go to ebay/autotrader/dealership/newspaper first does not mean they can't come here too. that reply was only used to show flaw in your arguement
Are you really asking us to take into consideration cars that aren't listed on this website? Why would you think that we want to put any of our time into something that doesn't deal with this website?
so you are saying that you have never given someone a heads upon a car not listed on drag? Maybe one you saw on the corner, dealership, buddy's car, etc? i think you are missing the point here. its not investing time into anything, its leaving the opportunity for someone to help someone else out.
Maybe you can't/don't/won't. But I can, do and will. Go ahead and site some references to prove me wrong.
http://www.dragva.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105782
http://www.dragva.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106857
http://www.dragva.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103095
And i will note 2 things. 1-I am sure there is more that could be found at this point. 2-Before the last reboot of the whole system, im sure i could find instances where many (if not all) of the moderators have posted WTB vehicle threads at some point of their life.
The idea isn't bad. I'm just saying the same thing I've been saying the whole time. I know what it would turn into. I asked you in the previous post, go read all the WTB threads and then show me why you think this is incorrect.
I think it was a combination of lack or rules and lack of moderation in the past. I have seen mahy wtb threads go to shit. i have also seen some come out with a car sold. i havent looked through them all.
spnamnt
10-11-2005, 12:05 AM
ok, im gonna add my .02 also. what if someone has wrecked a car, and has had it sitting in their yard/garage for a while and just didnt do anything with it or planned to fix it then gave up? maybe someone is looking for a project car that they can rebuild to their own preference. some people look for a car w/ certain stuff on it or in it, and also your 4letter word requirement doesnt allow you to search DEL SOL, only DELSOL together, when most people post it as 2 separate words. also some people may not be needing to sell their car or wanting to sell it, but most people i know say "everything is for sale for the right price", which if someone posts they want to buy a certain car then they may sell it if the person says they are willing to spend the money. and also, as Francisco said, friends car, neighbors car, whatever, why not help someone out so they will stop posting it up or posting in peoples threads lowballing them? as i said, just my .02. :D
ok, im gonna add my .02 also. what if someone has wrecked a car, and has had it sitting in their yard/garage for a while and just didnt do anything with it or planned to fix it then gave up? maybe someone is looking for a project car that they can rebuild to their own preference. some people look for a car w/ certain stuff on it or in it Then they should list it in the forum. We can't do all the work for everyone. All the examples so far are full of what-ifs and maybes.
also your 4letter word requirement doesnt allow you to search DEL SOL, only DELSOL together, when most people post it as 2 separate words. We used to have a thread so that people could make suggests to exempt words <4 that are searchable. I just can't seem to find it ATM, but I'll make another thread if I can't find the old one.
also some people may not be needing to sell their car or wanting to sell it, but most people i know say "everything is for sale for the right price" Well that's EXACTLY what we don't want. Either you're selling your car or your not.
DORKO
10-11-2005, 12:39 PM
what is the big deal about having a wtb sticky? peopel jsut post what they want and the peopple that are really serious about selling their cars, will browse the sticky and PM the person looking for the car...?
that way its just one thread and not taking up so much space on the boards...i mean..?
my other .02 cents
that reply was only used to show flaw in your arguement
It does make sense because YOU are the one asking for us to cater to buyers. I never said we cater to sellers, I said they are the ones whom we can determine if they are serious or not. The way we have it setup now just cleans out the garbage and makes things simpler for both sides. Serious sellers get more traffic and serious buyers get all the information up front.
so you are saying that you have never given someone a heads upon a car not listed on drag? Maybe one you saw on the corner, dealership, buddy's car, etc? i think you are missing the point here. its not investing time into anything, its leaving the opportunity for someone to help someone else out.
You keep saying the same thing and I keep saying the same thing back. Yes I agree that those threads could potentially be helpful, but once again, all the negatives I have already listed make those kinds of thread more trouble than the slim chance that something actually materializes that wouldn't have otherwise. Did you get that last part? Something comes out of a wtb thread that wouldn't have otherwise. That's the whole point, the threads are useless because the people who wtb could just as easily find things on their own if they weren't lazy.
http://www.dragva.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105782
http://www.dragva.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106857
http://www.dragva.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103095
And i will note 2 things. 1-I am sure there is more that could be found at this point. 2-Before the last reboot of the whole system, im sure i could find instances where many (if not all) of the moderators have posted WTB vehicle threads at some point of their life.
You can also note that those threads are exactly what I said. A bunch of garbage spam that serves no purpose. The people who posted those could just have easily looked for the listed ads themself AND nothing materialized out of them.
So what if a moderator posted a wtb thread? That doesn't mean the thread wasn't useless and they weren't being lazy. I don't even know what you're trying to say with that. Please tell me what on earth does a moderator posting a wtb thread in the past have to do with this?
If you look back at what I originally said before you tried twisting it around:
the type of users these kinds of posts attract are the type of people whom we do not want using the site which is why these rules were put into effect in the first place.
I think it was a combination of lack or rules and lack of moderation in the past. I have seen mahy wtb threads go to shit. i have also seen some come out with a car sold. i havent looked through them all.
Well gee the examples you gave sure didn't help your cause. None of them did anything except waste space.
TheGentleArt
10-13-2005, 01:01 AM
sucka, sadly enough this is a "free" forum, so basicly us being allowed to log on is a prevlige considering we pay notthing, so if they make a rule we do not like we really have ground to stand on, as its a free forum we choose to log on, i agree with you, alot of pro's for us, but i can deffinitly see the con's for the mods :( they hear bitching either way, just this way its only about one thing.
Blaznkwest
10-24-2005, 12:11 AM
Would it be wrong to post a WTB thread in the regional forums considering I'd rather buy locally and people are consistently posting threads asking for paint jobs, mechanical work, etc? (I read all of the above, and agree with filtering out the garbage threads, but in some cases like mine, chances are somebody knows somebody who is selling a swapped CRX which I am interested purchasing, so I also agree with stickying a WTB thread.) There are my two pennies.
RPRacing
10-25-2005, 09:02 PM
thank you!
don't mention it bro i was listening.
RPRacing
10-25-2005, 09:37 PM
:thup: Awesome Sung. I knew not to believe what everyone else says about you. I like you. ;)
I knew not to believe what everyone else says about you. I like you. ;) Too funny.
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